Understanding Moment Diagrams: Why is the Maximum Moment at Point B?

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The discussion revolves around understanding moment diagrams in the context of beam mechanics, specifically addressing why the maximum moment occurs at point B (a hinge) rather than at point A (where a force acts). Participants explore the relationship between shear forces and bending moments, and the implications of hinge and pinned connections in beam analysis.

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  • Some participants question why the moment is maximum at point B and not at point A, where the force is applied.
  • One participant asserts that the bending moment is zero at point A due to the distance to the force being zero, leading to the conclusion that M must be zero at A.
  • Another participant suggests that the hinge at B may obscure the fact that the beam is moment-continuous, allowing for some rotation but not complete rotation as in a mechanism.
  • A participant mentions that the area under the shear force curve relates to the ordinates of the bending moment curve, emphasizing the importance of understanding the relationship between shear and moment.
  • There is confusion about the effect of a downward shear force at point B on the moment, with participants discussing whether the moment graph represents moments about point B or another point.
  • One participant clarifies that the moment due to a load should be considered about point B, not the location of the load, as moments are products of force and distance from the point of interest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of moment diagrams and the behavior of moments at points A and B. There is no consensus on the underlying reasons for the maximum moment at point B, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of shear forces on moments.

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Participants note that the relationship between shear forces and bending moments is complex and may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about the beam's connections and loading conditions. Some mathematical steps and assumptions remain unclear or unresolved.

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http://www.mathalino.com/reviewer/m...tion-to-problem-403-shear-and-moment-diagrams
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taking this as example , we notice that the moment varies linearly (from 0 to max from A to B ) (pls concentrate on part between A and B ) , why the moment is max at B (hinge) ? why shouldn't the moment at min at A ( location where the force act) ?

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is it wrong ? i think the moment diagram should be drawn from moment (max ) to 0 at B , am i correct ? (red colour part which is drawn by me )
 
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chetzread said:

Homework Statement


http://www.mathalino.com/reviewer/m...tion-to-problem-403-shear-and-moment-diagrams
fqzDXT4.png

taking this as example , we notice that the moment varies linearly (from 0 to max from A to B ) (pls concentrate on part between A and B ) , why the moment is max at B (hinge) ? why shouldn't the moment at min at A ( location where the force act) ?

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The Attempt at a Solution


is it wrong ? i think the moment diagram should be drawn from moment (max ) to 0 at B , am i correct ? (red colour part which is drawn by me )
The bending moment is zero at point A and -30 kN-m at point B. How could it be otherwise?

Remember, M = F × d, and if d = 0, then M = 0.

At point A, the distance to the force F is d = 0, therefore M must be zero at A.
 
I think the confusion might be that the hinge at B is drawn to hide the fact that the beam is moment-continuous over it. Thinking of the beam as a continuous, some rotation can occur there, but not the complete rotation as in a mechanism, that I suspect the op is thinking about.
 
pongo38 said:
I think the confusion might be that the hinge at B is drawn to hide the fact that the beam is moment-continuous over it. Thinking of the beam as a continuous, some rotation can occur there, but not the complete rotation as in a mechanism, that I suspect the op is thinking about.
Thanks for ur reply !
now , my problem is the shear force act 26N downwards at point B...how can there still gt momenit about point B ? or the moment graph (from -30Nm to 0 ) is moment about other point (not B )?
 
pongo38 said:
I think the confusion might be that the hinge at B is drawn to hide the fact that the beam is moment-continuous over it. Thinking of the beam as a continuous, some rotation can occur there, but not the complete rotation as in a mechanism, that I suspect the op is thinking about.
I think this beam has two pinned connections, one at B and the other at D. I prefer to call them pinned connections, rather than hinges, since the latter term is often used in a slightly different context with beam problems.

The OP seems hazy on the fact that the area under the shear force curve leads to the ordinates of the bending moment curve. Since the beam is free at the extreme left end, the shear force there is the 30 kN as shown on the diagram, but the moment is 30 kN ⋅ dx, where dx is the distance measured from the left end of the beam. Obviously, when dx = 0, then M = 0, not M = 30 kN-m.
 
chetzread said:
Thanks for ur reply !
now , my problem is the shear force act 26N downwards at point B...how can there still gt momenit about point B ? or the moment graph (from -30Nm to 0 ) is moment about other point (not B )?
It's not clear what you are trying to say here.

You have a downward shear force of 30 kN which is applied at the extreme left end of this beam. This shear force remains constant until you reach the support at B, where there is an upward reaction of 56 kN. V = +56 kN - 30 kN = +26 kN after point B, which is the value shown on the shear force diagram. This shear force remains constant until you reach point C, where another 50 kN load is applied pointing down. V = +26 kN - 50 kN = -24 kN after point C. Again, this shear force value remains constant until the support at D is reached, where the reaction is RD = +24 kN. The shear force after point D is then V = -24 kN + 24 kN = 0, which indicates that the beam is in equilibrium as far as the forces acting on it are concerned.

With regards to the bending moment.your mistake was to assume that the moment due to the -30 kN load taken about point B occurs at the location of the load. This is simply not true. A moment is the product of a force and a distance. The -30 kN force wants to rotate the end of the beam about point B, not anywhere else. Therefore, the moment M = -30 kN-m is plotted at point B and not the left end of the beam.

Once you understand this, then constructing the moment curve from the shear curve should follow very easily.
 
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