Why m.N is not a Unit of Torque

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The discussion revolves around the unit of torque and the reasoning behind why it is expressed as Newton-metres (N·m) rather than metre-Newtons (m·N). Participants explore the implications of unit notation and historical conventions in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that since torque is defined as rFSinθ, it should logically be expressed as m·N.
  • Another participant clarifies that a Newton-metre and a joule are equivalent, but they are used differently to prevent confusion between torque and energy.
  • A different participant mentions that the notation N·m is preferred to avoid the misinterpretation of m·N as milli Newton.
  • One participant provides historical context, explaining that the order of force and distance in units was maintained from imperial to metric systems to avoid confusion.

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Participants express differing views on the notation of torque units, with no consensus reached on whether m·N could be appropriate or if N·m is definitively the correct form.

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The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings related to unit notation and the historical context of unit definitions, but does not resolve the underlying questions about the appropriateness of different notations.

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Why unit of torque is not m.N

1.Torque=rFSinθ =>m.N
2. 1 N.m = 1 Joule but 1 N.m in torque ≠ 1 Joule

For the above 2 reasons i reckon it should have unit of m.N.
 
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hi azizlwl! :smile:

a Newton-metre and a joule are the same thing

but we tend to use one for torque and the other for energy, to avoid confusion :biggrin:

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule#Confusion_with_Newton_metre
The use of Newton-metres for torque and joules for energy is useful in helping avoid misunderstandings and miscommunications​

(there are other units that describe more than one thing …

for example, the pascal is a unit both of pressure and of energy density :wink:)
 
I read somewhere that we define the unit of torque as N m rather than m N, as the latter makes one want to say 'milli Newton'.
 
A 'foot pound' was chosen, historically and arbitrarily, as the unit of work and a 'pound foot' was chosen as the unit of torque. When we went metric, the same convention regarding the order of force and distance was used. If it hadn't, then this forum would be cluttered with complaints about it - just like the whinges regarding the accepted direction of conventional electrical current.
 

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