Why people float inside free falling airplane

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of passengers floating inside a free-falling airplane, often referred to as experiencing weightlessness. Participants explore the reasons behind this effect, including the roles of gravity, acceleration, and initial conditions, while considering both theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that weightlessness is due to the absence of normal force acting on the passenger, as both the passenger and the airplane experience the same acceleration due to gravity.
  • Others question the assumption that the airplane falls at exactly 1g, suggesting that air resistance and engine thrust could affect the dynamics of the fall.
  • A participant proposes that the initial conditions, such as the compression of the body due to gravity, could lead to a relative separation between the passenger and the floor once free fall begins.
  • Another participant introduces an analogy involving a spring to illustrate how the body might react when the normal force is removed, leading to a drifting effect.
  • Some comments reflect on the practical aspects of flying in a "vomit comet," including the pilot's use of sensitive G meters to manage the flight dynamics.
  • There are humorous remarks about the historical use of a metal nut on a string as a zero-G indicator, alongside anecdotes about animals experiencing weightlessness.
  • One participant raises a speculative question about the possibility of creating art while floating in the air during free fall.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the mechanics of floating in a free-falling airplane, with no clear consensus reached on the specific reasons for the observed effects. Multiple competing explanations and hypotheses are presented, reflecting ongoing exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the ideal conditions of free fall, the influence of air resistance, and the effects of initial velocities, which remain unresolved. The complexity of the interactions between forces and body dynamics is acknowledged but not fully clarified.

  • #31
hackhard said:
can freefall be made to continue forever in park rides
Only simulated by reducing gravity briefly. Most of rollercoaster rides are flipping, rocking, twisting, etc. of drawn out redirected use of gravity for propulsion.
 
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  • #32
hackhard said:
will it be possible to create 0g condition on Earth (lasting forever)
a "smaller" giant wheel whose axis is rotated by another "larger" giant wheel.
by varying angular velocity of the two such that vertical projection of resultant acceleration of the seat is always 1g down
Set up a giant free fall elevator.

Free-fall calculator

A 500m elevator with a contained falling capsule would give you a mere 10s of zero-G, not including the deceleration.
You'd need another 90m to declerate at 2(+1)gs in 3.5 seconds.

If you wanted 30s of free-fall, the elevator would have to fall about 4.4km and you'd be doing over 1000km/h.
You'd need to endure 3gs for an additional 10s to decelerate to 0 over 1.4km.

No that would suck.
 
  • #33
hackhard said:
can freefall be made to continue forever in park rides
Would NASA waste money on jet fuel, if that was possible?
 
  • #34
hackhard said:
can freefall be made to continue forever in park rides
Actually there is another way... imagine you were launched into a hollow cavity in the center of a large solid body out in space in microgravity. You could oscillate through the center for quite some time. Oh, wow, that's the piece I've looking for, for something different entirely! :-P
 
  • #35
jerromyjon said:
Actually there is another way... imagine you were launched into a hollow cavity in the center of a large solid body out in space in microgravity. You could oscillate through the center for quite some time. Oh, wow, that's the piece I've looking for, for something different entirely!
:-p
If you were in orbit then you would certainly be in microgravity, yes.

But you'd need 20 million 'good for one ride' coupons. And the lineup wait time would out Disneyworld to shame.
 
  • #37
hackhard said:
suppose a train travels along equator at 15,600 mph in direction of rotation of Earth gforce on man inside train is 0.
Going into low orbit is simpler.
 
  • #38
A.T. said:
Going into low orbit is simpler.
It actually seems to be the same thing by definition...
Meaning simply that hackhard's train would need no rails aside from the part where it's picking up its speed initially. After that, it is technically in (very) low orbit.
[edit: in practice a way to remove atmospheric drag would be required, which still means probably a vacuum guide tunnel and the maglev equivalent of rails.]
[edit 2: which is probably more complicated than going into a not-so-low low orbit, which finally makes me appreciate the point you were probably making :p]
 
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