Why perihelion shift and not aphelion?

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The discussion centers on the reasons why the perihelion shift of Mercury is often highlighted in the context of general relativity, as opposed to the aphelion shift. Participants explore the observational and terminological aspects of these shifts in celestial mechanics.

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  • One participant notes that the perihelion shift is a significant result of general relativity and questions why it is emphasized over the aphelion shift.
  • Another participant suggests that the focus on perihelion may be due to conventional terminology in celestial mechanics, where orbits are often described in relation to their perihelion.
  • It is mentioned that in highly elliptical orbits, precession occurs more noticeably near perihelion due to stronger gravitational and relativistic effects.
  • One participant claims that the angle of perihelion shift is equal to that of aphelion shift, but perihelion shifts can be measured more accurately.
  • Another participant challenges the accuracy of the claim regarding measurement, arguing that linear distance is greater at aphelion and that astronomers measure angles rather than distances.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding about the definitions of perihelion and aphelion, correcting the assumption that perihelion is the furthest point from the sun.

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Participants express differing views on the reasons for the emphasis on perihelion shift versus aphelion shift, with no consensus reached on the primary factors influencing this focus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved definitions regarding perihelion and aphelion, as well as differing interpretations of measurement accuracy related to angular shifts versus linear distances.

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Hi..

The explanation of the perihelion shift of Mercury was one of the major victories of GR.
But since the whole orbit precesses, why do people always talk about the perihelion shift and not, say, the aphelion shift?

Is the perihelion shift easier to observe or something?
 
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I think it's just arbitrary terminology. People who do celestial mechanics are in the habit of tabulating their data in such a way that the orientation of an orbit is described by its perihelion. For instance, there is an angle called the argument of perihelion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_of_periapsis

However, in an extremely elliptical orbit (not a nearly circular one like Mercury's), most of the precession will occur near perihelion, where gravity is strongest and relativistic effects are strongest.
 
The angle of a perihelion shift is exactly equal to that of an aphelion shift. However the perihelion shift can be measured more accurately, since the distance involved is greater.
 
mathman said:
However the perihelion shift can be measured more accurately, since the distance involved is greater.

Huh?

The linear distance would be greater at aphelion, not perihelion. And in any case (a) astronomers measure angles on the celestial sphere, not distances, and (b) you don't determine the orbital elements of a planet from a single observation at a single point in its orbit.
 
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bcrowell said:
Huh?

The linear distance would be greater at aphelion, not perihelion. And in any case (a) astronomers measure angles on the celestial sphere, not distances, and (b) you don't determine the orbital elements of a planet from a single observation at a single point in its orbit.
I had my definitions backwards, I presumed perihelion is furthest from the sun, so that a year to year shift would be a greater distance for the same angular shift. You are correct, the aphelion is furthest distance.
 
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