Why scientifically, do we need procreation as a species?

[cragwolf]

We need sex because we need something for Saint to obsess over.

 

[Saint]

SEX is instinct,
but need moral control

 

[Carly]

I'm sure I've nearly died from sex several times. Where is Humanino? I have heard that in France they colloquially call an orgasm a "little death". Is that true?

Yeah, it is. I learned that my going to an art gallery and seeing a piece by the Chapman brothers...
Don't have a clue as to why they do though

 

[Les Sleeth]

Do you have statistics to back up this assertion, or are you going to continue talking out your ass?

Personal statistics: Practiced it from age 16 (learned it from my first lover, who was older and taught me). I was unusually active, growing up in the hippie era and being in the military overseas. Later practiced with two wives for about 32 years. Had one accidental pregnancy with first wife who at first insisted we use rhythm after she reacted badly to birth control pills. After than I went back to withdrawal and had no more problems.

Of course, those aren't comprehensive statistics. The problem is intepreting the statistics. I've seen quite a range in the statistics for the effectiveness of withdrawl. Cal Poly's student services, for example, reports 70-75% effectiveness. Caromont's hospital rep states:

"Withdrawal has an effectiveness rate of 81-96%. -- Amy Scholten, MPH

What can account for that? In virtually every report I've read, the emphasis is placed on the ability of the couple to practice correctly. Yes, the presence sperm in preseminal fluid is listed as a danger, but is that the main reason for the failure?

Consider this report from the National Center for Disease Prevention and Health Promotion. http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/

Very few barriers exist to discourage couples from using withdrawal as a contraceptive method. The primary barrier is probably the attitude among health professionals that withdrawal is ineffective as a contraceptive. This attitude may be transmitted to men and women in the
community. [my emphasis] In reality, withdrawal is a reasonably effective method that can be used by couples who wish to space births and do not have contraindications to pregnancy or extremely strong desires to avoid
pregnancy. . . .

Although coitus interruptus has often been criticized as ineffective, it
probably offers a level of contraceptive protection similar to that pro-
vided by vaginal barrier methods. Its effectiveness depends largely on
the male's ability to withdraw before he ejaculates. How effective the
method would be if used consistently and correctly is unknown. Our
best guess is that about 4% of perfect users would fail in the initial
year. Among typical users, about 19% would fail during the first year.

Notice it says "How effective the method would be if used consistently and correctly is unknown." My position is that control is the key. I didn't say this before (my wife just reminded me of it) but we combine withdrawal with rhythm, which would help increase the effectiveness even more.


Now let's consider your comment to me that I was talking out of my ass. If you read my statement, I said I was certain of the effectiveness of CI, which was how I purposely put it to indicate it was a personal opinion. I still am certain of it. Nothing I've read has made me change my mind that the failure rate is primarily due to lack of control. Since studies seem to be for the general population and not for the conscientous practitioner (which was the qualifier I put on it), I don't see how the "out your ass" barb was justified.

 

[humanino]

I'm sure I've nearly died from sex several times. Where is Humanino? I have heard that in France they colloquially call an orgasm a "little death". Is that true?

It depends on your partner really
But for sure, it is a great way of living and leaving this wold

 

[franznietzsche]

It depends on your partner really
But for sure, it is a great way of living and leaving this wold

You got to die sometime, it might as well be in the sack.

 

[Saint]

Most people failed to enjoy sex for the First time,
because they are not familiar with the Technique to do sex.
I took me about 2 weeks to get familiar with it after wedding.

 

[The_Professional]

Most people failed to enjoy sex for the First time,
because they are not familiar with the Technique to do sex.

Most people are too caught up with the techniques, and not much on the intimacy, feeling and deep connection.

 

[Loren Booda]

They're as many techniques as there are lovers.

 

[Moonbear]

They're as many techniques as there are lovers.

And yet never enough! What fun it is to have a partner with whom you can explore as many of those as possible, and then make up some more of your own!

 

[franznietzsche]

Most people failed to enjoy sex for the First time,
because they are not familiar with the Technique to do sex.
I took me about 2 weeks to get familiar with it after wedding.

I had a great first time.

In the bed...in the shower...she was the local beauty queen...ity was fun,andi need to not post drunk


good night ya'll

 

[Moonbear]

I had a great first time.

In the bed...in the shower...she was the local beauty queen...ity was fun,andi need to not post drunk


good night ya'll

LOL! I always thought such things came naturally too.

 

[franznietzsche]

LOL! I always thought such things came naturally too.

waIT...hwich part?

the confessions,or the activities? or the postiung while far from sober? I'm so confused...

 

[Moonbear]

waIT...hwich part?

the confessions,or the activities? or the postiung while far from sober? I'm so confused...

You're very funny when drunk! I meant the techniques. At least the basic technique anyway.

Why are you drunk on a Sunday night? Or should I not ask why?

 

[franznietzsche]

You're very funny when drunk! I meant the techniques. At least the basic technique anyway.

Why are you drunk on a Sunday night? Or should I not ask why?

Well being drunk on a sunday is a combination of opprotunity + 3 week depression over getting turkey dropped (thanksgiving break up).


technique? i assume that means activity. I'm very confused.

 

[Moonbear]

Well being drunk on a sunday is a combination of opprotunity + 3 week depression over getting turkey dropped (thanksgiving break up).

Sorry to hear about the break-up. Those always suck. Well, you may have noticed, there are a few new women on the board here. Maybe it was just meant to be so that you can hook up with one them.

technique? i assume that means activity. I'm very confused.

Oh boy, I'll explain it to you when you're sober. Don't forget to take a few aspirin before you go to sleep tonight and keep a pitcher of water on your bedside. You're going to be hurting in the morning.

 

[Smurf]

Gatorade works miracles against hangovers, I know I've tried it. It's cause it rehydrates you.

 

[Moonbear]

Gatorade works miracles against hangovers, I know I've tried it. It's cause it rehydrates you.

That, and because it's full of sugar. Anything with sugar and water will work. Any kind of juice or sport drink. Whatever you can tolerate the taste of without puking.

 

[Smurf]

Yeah, puking might even be the worst part of hangovers.\
Well, I mean either that, or not being able to get it up.

 

[Moonbear]

Yeah, puking might even be the worst part of hangovers.\
Well, I mean either that or not being able to get it up.

No, the worst is when your stomach is completely empty, so it's just dry heaves.

 

[Smurf]

That doesn't happen to me, I just puke up bile instead

 

[Moonbear]

That doesn't happen to me, I just puke up bile instead

Okay, that might be worse.

 

[Smurf]

Naw, not being able to get it up still sets the bar.

 

[franznietzsche]

Yeah, puking might even be the worst part of hangovers.\
Well, I mean either that, or not being able to get it up.

Naw, getting it up is never an issue.

Finding someone to get it up in the presence of can be though.

 

[Moonbear]

Naw, getting it up is never an issue.

Finding someone to get it up in the presence of can be though.

Okay, now I know it's time for me to get some sleep. I thought he was still talking about puke.

 

[franznietzsche]

Okay, now I know it's time for me to get some sleep. I thought he was still talking about puke.

Very nice moonbear, very nice.

 

[JasonRox]

I never take aspirin and never had any problems with hangovers.

I drink tons of water and I eat lots. Most say they drink water, but a litre isn't enough. When I say you need lots, I said you need lots.

 

[franznietzsche]

I never take aspirin and never had any problems with hangovers.

I drink tons of water and I eat lots. Most say they drink water, but a litre isn't enough. When I say you need lots, I said you need lots.

I usually drink the same volumeof water that i had of alcoholic beverages. But then i get the drunken munchies and empty the whole fridge, so i have to go grocery shopping again the next day.

 

[relskid]

i didn't think that a topic about sex could get any hotter. yet here i am, proven wrong, with you guys and your discussion on vomit and hangovers.

;)

 

[Moonbear]

i didn't think that a topic about sex could get any hotter. yet here i am, proven wrong, with you guys and your discussion on vomit and hangovers.

;)

And we learn that relskid has a sarcastic sense of humor! You'll fit in well kid! (I keep thinking of your nickname as rel's kid, even though I know you explained it's supposed to be rel skid...so the kid comment isn't related to your age, though, compared to me, it could be...LOL!).

 

[Les Sleeth]

That, and because it's full of sugar. Anything with sugar and water will work. Any kind of juice or sport drink. Whatever you can tolerate the taste of without puking.

I tell all my friends and relatives this secret, but no one ever listens.

Brewers Yeast!

Two tablespoons in water or juice before you get smashed (not on an empty stomach), and two after you come crawling home (but after puking). Possibly the highest source of B vitamins on the planet, it seems to correct the stress caused by alchohol allowing one to wake up bright and fresh! (I feed it to my cats too, gives them shiney coats, and they love it.)

 

[Moonbear]

I tell all my friends and relatives this secret, but no one ever listens.

Brewers Yeast!

Two tablespoons in water or juice before you get smashed (not on an empty stomach), and two after you come crawling home (but after puking). Possibly the highest source of B vitamins on the planet, it seems to correct the stress caused by alchohol allowing one to wake up bright and fresh! (I feed it to my cats too, gives them shiney coats, and they love it.)

It's a good nutrient source, so goes along with the idea of just boosting your nutrition. I have to go back and look...I seem to recall reading something about B vitamin deficiency inducing stress, or as a consequence of stress or something like that...read it years ago (I'm pretty sure it was a journal club article way back in grad school, which is why it's so hazy now). There might be something to your home remedy. I wonder if taking a B-complex vitamin would be just as helpful? Might be more palatable!

 

[Saint]

don't sidetrack from SEX

 

[BoulderHead]

Heavens No!

 

[Smurf]

Who would've guessed saint would be the one to remind us to get back on about SEX...
Or is getting off topic Immoral?

 

[BoulderHead]

Haha, I'm just feeling good to see him back.

 

[Moonbear]

don't sidetrack from SEX

That wasn't a sidetrack, getting drunk goes hand in hand with sex. Some people would never get sex if it wasn't for those beer goggles. Remember, there are no ugly people at last call! And Smurf was talking about the opposite view of how over-consumption of alcohol can hinder sexual function. See, we've been on topic all along.

 

[Smurf]

Yeah! Defend my honour Moonbear!

 

[Moonbear]

Yeah! Defend my honour Moonbear!

Anything for the little blue guy!

 

[Smurf]

Finally! I have worshippers! I've been waiting so long for this moment

 

[Gokul43201]

I tell all my friends and relatives this secret, but no one ever listens.

Brewers Yeast!

Two tablespoons in water or juice before you get smashed (not on an empty stomach), and two after you come crawling home (but after puking). Possibly the highest source of B vitamins on the planet, it seems to correct the stress caused by alchohol allowing one to wake up bright and fresh! (I feed it to my cats too, gives them shiney coats, and they love it.)

And I keep telling my secret to everyone I know (kinda oxymoronic, huh ?)

Owl's Eggs [/size]

Nothing better to beat a nasty hangover. But heavens...I'm sidetracking...will 20 lashes do ?

 

[Moonbear]

And I keep telling my secret to everyone I know (kinda oxymoronic, huh ?)

Owl's Eggs [/size]

Oh, yeah, those are easy to come by. They practically give them away at the store all the time!

Nothing better to beat a nasty hangover. But heavens...I'm sidetracking...will 20 lashes do ?

I'll get the paddle.

 

[franznietzsche]

Oooh! Oooh!

Paddle me! Paddle me! :shy: