Why the generator operators of a compact Lie algebra are Hermitian?

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The discussion centers around the properties of generator matrices of compact Lie algebras, specifically their Hermitian nature. Participants explore the implications of the Peter-Weyl theorem and the relationship between unitary representations and Hermitian generators, addressing both general and specific cases such as su(n).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the generators of the adjoint representation of compact Lie algebras are Hermitian, but question whether this holds for general representations.
  • One participant references the Peter-Weyl theorem as relevant to the discussion, suggesting it may provide insight into the Hermitian nature of generators.
  • Another participant argues that the Hermitian property may only apply to the case of su(n), citing a specific relationship involving unitary operators.
  • Concerns are raised about the distinction between unitary representations of operators and the unitarity of the operators themselves, with some participants expressing confusion over the connection to Hermitian generators.
  • There is a suggestion that the matrices forming a Lie algebra do not necessarily need to be Hermitian, with one participant explicitly stating they see no reason for this requirement.
  • A later reply challenges the previous assertion, indicating that the proof of Hermitian generators is trivial if one considers the cited paper.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the original question was not directly related to representations, suggesting that the irreducible representations of compact Lie groups are equivalent to unitary ones as a consequence of the Peter-Weyl theorem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the generators of compact Lie algebras are necessarily Hermitian, with some supporting this idea under specific conditions while others contest it. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to clarify terminology and the distinctions between various mathematical constructs, such as group matrices, Lie algebras, and operator representations, which may affect the interpretation of Hermitian properties.

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Why generator matrices of a compact Lie algebra are Hermitian?I know that generators of adjoint representation are Hermitian,but how about the general representaion of Lie groups?
 
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ndung200790 said:
Why generator matrices of a compact Lie algebra are Hermitian?I know that generators of adjoint representation are Hermitian,but how about the general representaion of Lie groups?
Perhaps Theorem 3.11 in this paper.
 
ndung200790 said:
Why generator matrices of a compact Lie algebra are Hermitian?I know that generators of adjoint representation are Hermitian,but how about the general representaion of Lie groups?
I think it is true only in case of su(n),where it follows follows from U+U=1.
 
andrien said:
I think it is true only in case of su(n),where it follows follows from U+U=1.
Are you just guessing, or did you find an error in the paper that I cited.
 
Well,the theorem given is talking about unitary representation of some operator representation of some compact group G.This unitary representation is different from the unitarity of operator.A unitary representaion simply concerns about finding an orthogonal set of basis in the group space,so I don't see a direct connection of that theorem with the unitarity which leads to hermitian generator.Probably you know how to make a connection.
 
andrien said:
Well,the theorem given is talking about unitary representation of some operator representation of some compact group G.This unitary representation is different from the unitarity of operator.A unitary representaion simply concerns about finding an orthogonal set of basis in the group space,so I don't see a direct connection of that theorem with the unitarity which leads to hermitian generator.Probably you know how to make a connection.
I have no idea what you're talking about, andrien. He says the operator is unitary.

Thus the operator O′= SOS−1 is unitary on S, and its matrix representations will also be unitary.
It's a unitary operator with a unitary matrix. Unitary means unitary. I see nothing subtle going on.
 
ndung200790 said:
Why generator matrices of a compact Lie algebra are Hermitian?I know that generators of adjoint representation are Hermitian,but how about the general representaion of Lie groups?

You must first distinguish between the matrices forming a group, forming a Lie algebra, forming the matrix elements of a linear operator representing a group/Lie algebra on some (topological) vector space. With this being said, let's try to see what can be understood from your first question: so you've got a compact Lie algebra of matrices and I assume the 'generator matrices' of it are the basis vectors of the linear space underlying the algebra. Why would they necessarily be Hermitean ? I see no reason for it.
 
dextercioby said:
I see no reason for it.
You might, if you took a look at the paper I cited in #3 above. The proof is trivial.
 
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His 1st question was not related to representations. Surely, the irreds of a compact Lie group are equivalent to unitary ones as a result of Peter-Weyl's theorem. We use this result in Quantum Mechanics. That's why I wrote the first 2 sentences. Because I was suspecting a wrong terminology.
 

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