Why the Neutral Wire Causes No Electric Shock

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the reasons why the neutral wire in electrical systems does not typically cause electric shock. Participants explore concepts related to electrical potential, current flow, grounding, and the differences between neutral wires in residential and industrial systems.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the neutral wire does not cause electric shock because it is at the same potential as ground, particularly in a properly balanced power distribution system.
  • Others argue that the neutral wire can carry current and that in certain conditions, such as unbalanced loads, it may have a potential difference that could lead to shock if a path to ground is provided.
  • A participant mentions that the neutral wire is essential for current flow and provides resistance for current to push against, indicating that mistakes in wiring can lead to unexpected voltages on the neutral.
  • There are discussions about the terminology and color coding of wires in different systems, with some participants noting variations between domestic and industrial applications.
  • One participant explains the role of the neutral wire in three-phase systems, highlighting that the neutral in a home may not necessarily flow back to the larger three-phase system's neutral.
  • Another participant shares a personal experience of encountering voltage on a neutral wire, suggesting that it can sometimes carry voltage due to improper connections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the function and safety of the neutral wire, with no consensus reached on the conditions under which it may cause electric shock. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of grounding and current flow in various electrical systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different electrical standards and practices, including variations in wire color codes and definitions of neutral in different contexts. There is mention of potential errors in understanding the relationship between neutral and ground in various systems.

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Why the neutral wire (the cold) does not cause an electric shock?
 
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In a properly balanced power distribution system the neutral should have no current flowing through it, also it is often grounded.
 
Mike Cookson said:
In a properly balanced power distribution system the neutral should have no current flowing through it, also it is often grounded.

This is incorrect; the neutral conductor provides the return path for the current from the hot conductor. In a properly-built electrical system, the neutral conductor is at the same potential as Earth ground, though, meaning that you cannot receive a shock between it and ground.

- Warren
 
Technically we are both correct...in 'real' electrical power systems a neutral wire carries only the unbalanced current from a Y-connected system due to unbalanced loads. It is not necessarily earthed, however owing to it's nature and how it is sometimes connected to Earth you are right in saying there is no potential between it and ground.

You are talking of the other use of the word neutral where it is the cable that links back to the grid. NB - if you can be shocked by the neutral if you provide a quicker path to ground when the neutral has current flowing through it.
 
Mike Cookson said:
You are talking of the other use of the word neutral where it is the cable that links back to the grid.

I assume from your use of the word 'earthed' that you're British. Here, there isn't more than one use of the word 'neutral'. Black is hot, white is system neutral, and green is ground (earth). That's for regular domestic stuff, though. Fancier industrial systems such as 3-phase might have different terms that I'm unaware of.
 
Danger said:
That's for regular domestic stuff, though. Fancier industrial systems such as 3-phase might have different terms that I'm unaware of.
Nope.
 
russ_watters said:
Nope.

'Nope' as in I'm wrong, or 'nope' as in the terms are the same? :confused:
 
Fancier industrial systems use the same type of terms and color schemes.
 
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However neutral in the home and neutral in three phase isn't actually the same thing...not quite.
 
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Can you elaborate upon that, Mike?
 
  • #12
Sure, I assume that you know what three phase power is...if not have a read of this article I wrote for the UKSLC...(there is an error in how the 415V (for UK mains) is reached but other than that it's all fine)

http://www.ukslc.org/articles/power/3_phase_power_explanation.html"

Now, in a perfectly balanced three phase system (where each of the phases is loaded with an equal impedance you can connect the ends together as shown in this diagram (from the above article)

http://www.ukslc.org/images/articles/threephase/fig40001.gif"

Unfortunately it's hard to balance the load perfectly in a large transmission system, so a neutral wire is connected between where the three loads and three generators meet taking the excess current. This is the neutral in the three phase system. The neutral in your house just goes from you, the load, to the point where all of the loads connect... while your neutral is connected to the neutral that I have explained it doesn't necessarily have to be.

I suppose what I'm saying is that the current in the neutral line in your house does not necessarily flow down the neutral of the larger three phase system, so it is different while being connected.
 
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  • #13
Ah ha! My speciality!

I have been doing electrical work for a while, and I might have an answer.

First, Have you ever grabbed a neutral? I've gotten hit with one, and took a meter to it and it had 70v pumping through it. But that was probably someone's screw up.
ANYWAY

there is a difference between it and the ground.

The ground is a safety device. Almost all every day devices can operate without it, but NEC demands it in most cases. The neutral is essential for current to travel, for it provides resistance for the current to push against. There shouldn't be any current going through it, but mistakes happen.
 
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Danger said:
I assume from your use of the word 'earthed' that you're British. Here, there isn't more than one use of the word 'neutral'. Black is hot, white is system neutral, and green is ground (earth). That's for regular domestic stuff, though. Fancier industrial systems such as 3-phase might have different terms that I'm unaware of.

depending of the voltage, the phases have different color codes. you have different combos for 120, 240, 277, and 480 (in USA at least)
 
  • #15
well the way i see it the neutral wire is the centre tap of the transformer. not a ground but ussually connectected to ground at a certain point at the electrical box. so say if we have an transformer with three wires and one is the center tap. now until any part of the circuit is referenced to ground there is no circuit and no current path. if somehow the wrong part of the circuit is referenced to ground the neutral wire will have a voltage potential to ground. hope this helps
 
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In the UK you only really have combinations for 230/240V and 415V (That's the phase and line voltages)
 
  • #17
let me put it this way. unless you have a circuit loop you can not have a current flow. so regardless of where or what voltages you have. the high voltage is reduced to the operational voltages by transformers. these transformers are referenced or grounded to Earth at a certain point ussually with the centertap of the transformer at a certain point. then you have say 120 v per line wrt the center tap or neutral wire. phase or 240 v across l1 l2. now if you have a long run of wire you will have a resistance and a voltage drop across the wire and you may get a shock if you touch the wire and ground at the same time. as for the wire color in the UK may be different but the principles of the circuit will remain constant. as for 3 phase same thing just your phases wrt neutral
 

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