What is the use of a grounding stick

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role and implications of grounding systems in power generation and electrical safety. Participants explore concepts related to electric shock, potential difference, and the grounding of electrical systems, with a focus on theoretical and practical aspects of grounding in power stations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that without a grounding stick at a power generating station, there would be no electric shock risk, as there would be no need for ground wires.
  • Others argue that even without a grounding stick, a person could still receive an electric shock if they bridge the live wire and ground.
  • There is a claim that without a grounding stick, there would be no potential difference between live and earth, leading to a situation where the live wire would not be considered live.
  • One participant posits that the grounding system is intended to protect equipment and workers during faults and to avoid floating ground situations, although this is based on limited research.
  • Questions are raised about the capacitance of the Earth and its implications for electric shock, with one participant humorously asserting that the capacitance is significant enough to prevent changes in potential.
  • Another participant discusses the specifics of power generation in New Zealand, noting that while there is a local neutral to Earth connection, balanced phases result in no current flow to the earth at the power station.
  • Concerns are expressed about the practical implications of the Earth's potential being considered constant at 0 V, with emphasis on the importance of potential differences in localized contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the necessity and function of grounding systems, with no consensus reached on the implications of grounding or the conditions under which electric shocks occur.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about grounding systems, potential differences, and the behavior of electrical currents, which may depend on specific regional practices and definitions.

hackhard
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suppose there was no ground stick at power generating station .
then there would be no reason for a person to get an electric shock.
no need for ground wires.
only live and neutral wire for domestic supply.
why is the neutral wire connected to Earth at generating station
 
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hackhard said:
suppose there was no ground stick at power generating station .
then there would be no reason for a person to get an electric shock.
If the person bridges the live wire and ground it will still get a shock.
 
A.T. said:
If the person bridges the live wire and ground it will still get a shock.

but there would be no potential difference between live and Earth if there is no ground stick at power generating station
 
hackhard said:
there would be no potential difference between live and earth
Then it wouldn't be live but earth.
 
A.T. said:
Then it wouldn't be live but earth.
i meant to say where is return path of current
 
I believe the grounding system is there to protect equipment and workers in the event of a fault and to prevent a floating ground situation, but this is just based on a few minutes of looking into this.
 
What is the capacitance of the planet? Of course you're going to get knocked on your butt.
 
In NZ the power stations generate 3-phase power and have a local neutral to Earth connection but as the three phases are balanced there is no current flow to the earth. Only the three phases leave the station. After going through sub-stations the single phase domestic supply is unbalanced and has phase to neutral current flowing. It may be different where you live.
 
Bystander said:
What is the capacitance of the planet? Of course you're going to get knocked on your butt.

700uF
 
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lychette said:
700uF
why is the Earth considered to be a const potential of 0 V
capacitance of Earth must be gigantic to resist change in potential due to any charge gain or loss
 
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hackhard said:
why is the Earth considered to be a const potential of 0 V
capacitance of Earth must be gigantic to resist change in potential due to any charge gain or loss
For practical purposes, it does not matter if the potential of the whole Earth goes up or down. The potential difference between Cleveland and Chicago, between building A and building B or between the neutral coming from the power company and the grounding rod stuck into your soil are what matter.

If you were in the business of selling electrons to Martians, the overall potential of the Earth could affect your launch budget, I suppose.
 

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