Why the topological term F\til{F} is scale independent?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the scale independence of the topological term in gauge theory, specifically the term ε_{\mu\nu ρσ}F^{\mu \nu} F^{ρσ}. Participants explore how the field tensor transforms under scale transformations and the implications of different scaling behaviors for space and time.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the scale transformation of the field tensor and how it relates to the topological term's scale independence.
  • One participant describes how spacetime coordinates and potential vectors scale differently under general rescaling, particularly in nonrelativistic contexts.
  • Another participant asserts that time and space scale differently only in non-relativistic theory, suggesting that this is a misunderstanding of the principles of relativity.
  • There is a challenge regarding the determination of the scaling dimension of a field, with one participant questioning the conventional textbook approach and suggesting that it does not make sense.
  • One participant claims that scaling must preserve the light-cone structure, framing it as a principle law rather than an opinion.
  • Another participant mentions that the scaling dimension can be derived from the action integral or by ensuring scale invariance of equal-time commutation relations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the scaling of time and space, with some asserting that they scale the same in relativistic contexts while others maintain that they scale differently only in non-relativistic theory. The discussion remains unresolved on this point, with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the scaling dimensions of fields and the implications for kinetic terms, indicating a reliance on specific definitions and conventions that may not be universally accepted.

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why the topological term in gauge theory, [itex]ε_{\mu\nu ρσ}F^{\mu \nu} F^{ρσ}[/itex] ,is scale-independent?
 
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sinc said:
why the topological term in gauge theory, [itex]ε_{\mu\nu ρσ}F^{\mu \nu} F^{ρσ}[/itex] ,is scale-independent?

Do you know how the field tensor transforms under scale transformation?
 
samalkhaiat said:
Do you know how the field tensor transforms under scale transformation?

if the spacetime coordinates scales as [itex]x_{0}→S^{a}\bar{x_0}, x_{i}→S^{b}\bar{x_i}[/itex],then the potential vector scales as follow: [itex]A_{0}→S^{a+d}\bar{A_0}, A_{i}→S^{b+d}\bar{A_i}[/itex]
 
sinc said:
if the spacetime coordinates scales as [itex]x_{0}→S^{a}\bar{x_0}, x_{i}→S^{b}\bar{x_i}[/itex]

Why do space and time scale differently? Can you tell me your background in physics?
 
We are considering the most general rescaling, so space and time scale differently. This is especially true for nonrelativistic case.
 
sinc said:
We are considering the most general rescaling, so space and time scale differently. This is especially true for nonrelativistic case.

No, not “especially”. Time and space scale differently ONLY in non-relativistic theory. But, your original question is meaningless in the non-relativistic domain. This is why I asked you about your background in physics.
Any way, in relativistic field theories, the coordinates scale according to
[tex]x^{ \mu } \rightarrow \bar{ x }^{ \mu } = e^{ - \lambda } x^{ \mu } ,[/tex]
and the field transforms as
[tex]F ( x ) \rightarrow \bar{ F } ( \bar{ x } ) = e^{ \lambda \Delta } F ( x )[/tex]
where [itex]\Delta[/itex] is the scaling dimension of the field. In D-dimensional space-time:
[tex]\Delta = \frac{ D - 2 }{ 2 }, \ \ \mbox{ for } \ \ A_{ \mu } (x) ,[/tex]
and
[tex]\Delta = \frac{ D }{ 2 } , \ \ \mbox{ for } \ \ F_{ \mu \nu } ( x ) .[/tex]

See (for more detailed description) the link below

www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=172461
 
Thank you for your reply. The link given by you is so long that I need some time to follow. However, I donn't agree with your point that
"Time and space scale differently ONLY in non-relativistic theory". It is the textbook's convention that space and time scale the same in relativistic region, but it is not the principle law. Anyway, I don't want to get invoked into this aspect. There is quick question I want to ask you: How do you determine the scaling dimension of a field? By dimension analysis and keep kinetic term dimension-D?
This textbook's answer doesn't make sense...
 
sinc said:
However, I donn't agree with your point that
"Time and space scale differently ONLY in non-relativistic theory"... but it is not the principle law.
I’m afraid you have to agree with me. This is not an opinion, it is a “principle law”. Scaling has to preserve the light-cone structure. You violate relativity principles if you scale space and time differently.

There is quick question I want to ask you: How do you determine the scaling dimension of a field? By dimension analysis and keep kinetic term dimension-D?
This textbook's answer doesn't make sense...

Yes, you get it either from the action integral or by demanding scale-invariance of the equal-time commutation relations. This is explained in the thread I linked above. See equations (10.13) to (10.17).
 

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