Why Use Parametric Equations in Finding Derivatives?

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The discussion revolves around the use of parametric equations in calculus, specifically in finding derivatives. Participants explore the rationale behind using parametric forms and the implications of differentiating with respect to a parameter, as well as the relevance of these methods in understanding relationships between variables.

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  • One participant questions the necessity of finding derivatives using parametric equations, suggesting it seems random and pointless, especially when substituting the parameter directly into the derivative.
  • Another participant proposes that the goal of using parametric equations is to find the derivative of y with respect to x without needing to express y explicitly as a function of x.
  • A hypothetical scenario is presented where the relationship between happiness and potato consumption is used to illustrate the importance of understanding how changes in one variable affect another through derivatives.
  • There is a correction regarding the formula for derivatives, with emphasis on the correct application of the chain rule in the context of parametric equations.

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Participants express differing views on the usefulness of parametric equations in finding derivatives. While some see value in the method, others find it unnecessarily complex, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding its practical application.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the context of motion problems in textbooks, suggesting that the learning objectives may extend beyond immediate applications. There are also indications of confusion regarding the correct formulas and their interpretations.

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ok we're learning the part of calc 2 where you have y = 3 + 4t; x = 4 + 3t

then u multiply dy/dt * dy/dx / dx/dt

but then u just plug in the value of t into dy/dt... so what was the point of finding the whole second part? lol it seems random and pointless to me. my friend says when u do this t "sometimes" cancells out. seems like a lot of work for nothing
 
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what are you trying to do?
dy/dt * dy/dx / dx/dt=(dy/dx)^2

maybe you intended
dy/dx=(dy/dt)/(dx/dt)?
in which you see how y changes with x
since you know how x and y change with t and maybe that is not interesting
maybe y is how happy you are at time t
and x is how many potatoes you have eaten at time t
when what you would really like to know is how happy does eating potatoes make you
so
dy/dt is increase in happiness [happy]/

dx/dt is rate of potatoe ingestion [potatoe]/

dy/dx is the happyness given by each potatoe [happy]/[potatoe]

so maybe knowing you get 4 happier each hour and eat 3 potatoes is not as interesting as knowing each potatoe makes you 4/3 happier.
 
jaredmt said:
ok we're learning the part of calc 2 where you have y = 3 + 4t; x = 4 + 3t

then u multiply dy/dt * dy/dx / dx/dt

but then u just plug in the value of t into dy/dt... so what was the point of finding the whole second part? lol it seems random and pointless to me. my friend says when u do this t "sometimes" cancells out. seems like a lot of work for nothing

The textbook our school uses talks about those problems dealing with the motion of particles. Overall, like many things, its just preparing you for what lies beyond... :)
 
Are you trying to find the derivative of y with respect to x where y and x are defined parametrically? In this case, the "point" is to avoid having to solve for y as a function of x and instead to use the provided parametric formulas.

Notice that by the chain rule,

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{dt} \frac{dt}{dx}

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}

This formula let's you find the derivative of y with respect to x directly from the parametric equations. The formula you gave was incorrect if this is the goal you wanted to accomplish.
 

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