Why Use Taylor Series Centered at x=a in Solving Differential Equations?

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The discussion revolves around the use of Taylor series centered at a point \( x = a \) in solving differential equations and estimating functions like \( \ln(x) \). Participants explore the implications of shifting the series from the standard Maclaurin series centered at zero, particularly in terms of convergence and accuracy in approximations.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the benefits of using a Taylor series centered at \( a \) instead of zero, noting that the textbook does not provide clear explanations.
  • It is mentioned that a Maclaurin series cannot be written for \( f(x) = \ln(x) \) at \( x = 0 \) due to undefined derivatives, but a Taylor series can be centered at other points like \( x = 1 \).
  • Participants express uncertainty about how to estimate \( \ln(9) \) using power series, with some noting that examples typically focus on \( \ln(2) \).
  • One participant suggests that the radius of convergence can be influenced by the choice of center \( a \), while another clarifies that the interval of convergence can change but the radius itself does not.
  • Several reasons for using a Taylor series centered at \( a \) are proposed, including achieving more accurate approximations near the point of interest and addressing singularities in functions.
  • A specific case is presented regarding linear differential equations, where expanding around the initial values at \( x = a \) simplifies the solution process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the utility of Taylor series centered at \( a \), with some agreeing on its advantages for specific functions and contexts, while others remain uncertain about its application for estimating values like \( \ln(9) \). The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach or the implications of shifting the series.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on the radius of convergence for specific series and the dependence on the choice of center \( a \) for different functions. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions regarding the estimation of logarithmic values using power series.

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I have just started learning about series and I don't see the benefit of shifting the series by using some "a" other than 0?

My textbook doesn't really tell the benefits it just says "it is very useful"'
 
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Austin said:
I have just started learning about series and I don't see the benefit of shifting the series by using some "a" other than 0?

My textbook doesn't really tell the benefits it just says "it is very useful"'
You can't write a Maclaurin series (i.e., a Taylor series with a = 0) for f(x) = ln(x), since the function and all of its derivatives are not defined at x = 0. You can, however, write a Taylor series in powers of, say, x - 1, though.
 
Would you be able to write a power series to estimate any value of lnx? I cannot think of a way to write a series to estimate ln9 for example... Is it possible? Every example I see is estimating ln2 and I feel like there must be some way to estimate other values but I cannot think of a way since the series diverges after 1 in each direction (from what I've seen)
 
Austin said:
Would you be able to write a power series to estimate any value of lnx? I cannot think of a way to write a series to estimate ln9 for example... Is it possible? Every example I see is estimating ln2 and I feel like there must be some way to estimate other values but I cannot think of a way since the series diverges after 1 in each direction (from what I've seen)
Off the top of my head I don't know what the radius of convergence is for this series. You could write it in powers of x - e2, with e2 being about 7.39, which might be close enough to 9.
 
Mark44 said:
Off the top of my head I don't know what the radius of convergence is for this series. You could write it in powers of x - e2, with e2 being about 7.39, which might be close enough to 9.
Oh I see! The point of having a Taylor Series centered around some arbitrary a is to move your radius of convergence in a sense, is that correct?
 
Austin said:
Oh I see! The point of having a Taylor Series centered around some arbitrary a is to move your radius of convergence in a sense, is that correct?
Something like that. You move the interval of convergence. The radius doesn't change.
 
Austin said:
Would you be able to write a power series to estimate any value of lnx? I cannot think of a way to write a series to estimate ln9 for example... Is it possible? Every example I see is estimating ln2 and I feel like there must be some way to estimate other values but I cannot think of a way since the series diverges after 1 in each direction (from what I've seen)
The power series for ln((1+x)/(1-x)) converges for -1<x<1, which can (in principal) be used for any y = (1+x)/(1-x) > 0.
 
There are several reasons. Including:
1) You can get more accurate answers from fewer terms if you can expand around point 'a' close to the x value you are interested in.
2) Others have mentioned the radius of convergence, which can not go beyond any singularity. So you may need to expand in several areas.
3) You may need to cancel one function's singularity at z=a by expanding another multiplying function that has a zero at z=a.
 
Another point: if you have a linear differential equation of the form [tex]y''+ f(x)y'+ g(x)y[/tex], with "initial values" y(a)= b, y'(a)= c; that is, with values of y and its derivative give at x= a, it is simplest to write the solution as a power series in powers of x-a. That is, in the form [tex]y= b+ c(x- a)+ p_2(x- a)^2+ p_3(x- a)^3+ \cdot\cdot\cdot[/tex] so that the first two coefficients are the given values, b and c. You can then write the functions f and g in Taylor series about a.
 

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