Why We Fight Movie: Must-Watch Eye-Opening Film

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The discussion revolves around the film "Why We Fight," which critiques the American Military Industrial Complex. Participants share their reactions to the film, its themes, and historical context, while also referencing Eisenhower's warnings and broader societal implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express strong enthusiasm for the film, suggesting it provides important insights into the Military Industrial Complex and its historical roots.
  • Others challenge the film's premise, arguing that the issues it highlights began long before World War II, citing historical figures like Smedley Butler to support their views.
  • There are discussions about Eisenhower's speech, with some noting that it focused more on his vision for America than on military concerns, which they feel diminishes the impact of his warning about militarization.
  • Concerns are raised about the portrayal of the film in its trailer, with some suggesting that trailers can misrepresent the content and intent of the film.
  • Participants debate the implications of comparing contemporary America to ancient Rome, questioning the validity and specifics of that analogy.
  • Some express skepticism about the motivations behind the film and its potential to manipulate viewers' perceptions through shock tactics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the film's message, historical context, and the implications of Eisenhower's speech.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include references to historical events and figures, but there are unresolved interpretations of their relevance to the film's themes. The debate also touches on the effectiveness of film marketing and representation.

  • #61
Maybe this was in the movie, but did you know that the second largest military force in Iraq is private military contractors?

Their combined numbers are a few thousand larger than the UKs. Many are operating in combat support roles, but a suprisingly large amount carry assault rifles, NVGs, sniper rifles, etc and have access to humvees, (maybe APCs), and limited air support. Crazy, huh...
 
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  • #62
Yonoz said:
Are there any initiatives to curb the US arms industry by regulation? Is this even on the public agenda in the States?
You mean those terrorist coddling liberals?

Now that the US has suspended habeas corpus, they will be dealt with. :wink:
 
  • #63
Yonoz said:
Are there any initiatives to curb the US arms industry by regulation? Is this even on the public agenda in the States?

War is its own monster, and it's largely directed by the executive branch in the U.S. and so they probably control (or at least try) the policies on the arms industry, in the name of defense. I think they need approval from congress in most cases, but as I understand it, the president also has some sort of influence over who sits in congress.

I'm just taking Pol Econ as a general requirement, so I'd appreciate any bonified critcism on my understanding of the politics of war.

Besides what I've learned from my PE class, I think some people claim congress was 'tricked' into allowing the war in iraq to happen. There's also some people that say that the president has 'emergency powers' which gives him a special position during times of war.

I imagine it would be very difficult to 'curb the US arms industry', but I'm quite an outsider on the issue.
 
  • #64
Pythagorean said:
War is its own monster, and it's largely directed by the executive branch in the U.S. and so they probably control (or at least try) the policies on the arms industry, in the name of defense.
I would like to emphasise that my question was about the US public agenda. Obviously individuals in whatever branch will have their own motives etc; I really meant to ask if there is any constructive criticism calling for some kind of regulatory control of the military industries? Or is regulation perceived as less desirable than than military-industrial-government complexes?
Why should "checks and balances" be limited to the government sector, when there is such strong fear of excessive power being gained by entities in the private sector?
 
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