Why would density increase when Poisson's ratio > 0.5?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between density and Poisson's ratio, particularly focusing on why density might increase when Poisson's ratio exceeds 0.5. Participants are exploring the implications of this relationship in the context of materials under tension and compression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the implications of Poisson's ratio on volume change and density. One participant attempts to calculate volume changes for different Poisson's ratios and expresses confusion over discrepancies between their findings and lecture notes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the calculations of volumetric strain and its effects on density. There is an exploration of different scenarios, including the behavior of materials under tension and compression, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions and implications of Poisson's ratio, particularly in relation to volume change and density. There is mention of lecture notes that may contradict personal calculations, highlighting a need for clarification on these concepts.

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Does anyone understand why density would increase when the poisson ratio is greater than 0.5 as indicated in this slide from my professor:

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Does this density increase apply to a system undergoing tension or compression or both?
 
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You have to think about what Poisson's ration means ... how does a compression affect volume for different Poisson's Ratios?
 
Simon Bridge said:
You have to think about what Poisson's ration means ... how does a compression affect volume for different Poisson's Ratios?

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Alright so here calculated what the volume change would be for when Poisson's ratio < 0.5. It told me that the volume would decrease which implies that the density increases. But according to the lecture notes this is not true. Instead when the ratio is < 0.5 the density decreases...

Note: I also calculated for the volume when Poisson's ratio = 0.5, which according to the notes there should be no volume change. But in my calculations I found there is a volume change...

What am I doing wrong?
 
theBEAST said:
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Alright so here calculated what the volume change would be for when Poisson's ratio < 0.5. It told me that the volume would decrease which implies that the density increases. But according to the lecture notes this is not true. Instead when the ratio is < 0.5 the density decreases...

Note: I also calculated for the volume when Poisson's ratio = 0.5, which according to the notes there should be no volume change. But in my calculations I found there is a volume change...

What am I doing wrong?

Let a bar be stretched by εx. For a Poisson ratio of 0.5, the strains in the y and z directions are:

εy=-0.5 εx

εz=-0.5 εx

The volumetric strain is the sum of the three linear strains, and is equal to zero.

Same problem with Poisson ratio = 0.3

εx + εy + εz = 0.4 εx

So the volume increases, and the density decreases when a bar is stretched under tension and the material has a Poisson ratio of <0.5
 

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