Will a Jet-Powered Rigid Link Reach a Steady State?

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The discussion centers on whether a jet-powered rigid link system, with a mass at the end, will reach a steady state characterized by constant angular velocity or if angular acceleration will continue to increase indefinitely. The scope includes theoretical considerations and potential real-world implications, such as the effects of air resistance.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the system will reach a steady state with constant angular velocity or if angular acceleration will keep increasing.
  • Another participant draws an analogy to a falling rock, noting that gravitational force is constant, but air resistance leads to terminal velocity, suggesting a similar outcome may occur in the jet-powered system.
  • A third participant clarifies that if air resistance and friction are ignored, angular acceleration will remain constant, leading to an unbounded increase in angular velocity until failure occurs.
  • This participant also suggests that with air resistance considered, the system might reach a steady state where the forces balance, similar to terminal velocity.
  • The original poster mentions running a simulation that showed the system reaching a steady state after an initial increase in velocity, which raises questions about the assumptions made in the theoretical discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the system will reach a steady state, with some suggesting it will under certain conditions (like air resistance), while others maintain that without those factors, acceleration will continue indefinitely. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the simulation results.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on assumptions such as the neglect of air resistance and friction, as well as the potential for different outcomes based on varying conditions. The simulation results introduce additional complexity that is not fully reconciled with the theoretical arguments.

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I have a mass (m) at the end of a rigid link of length r, pivoted at the red circle (below).

m is acted on by a force (F) which is always normal to the surface shown (thrust from a jet say).

My question is will this system reach a steady state, ie will it have constant angular velocity or will the angular acceleration just carry on increasing?

Thx Nic
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Here's a thought: the gravitational field at the surface of the Earth is nearly constant - so if you drop a rock does it continue to gain speed as it falls?

Note that if air resistance is to be taken into account you there is a terminal velocity.
 
DrBwts said:
My question is will this system reach a steady state, ie will it have constant angular velocity or will the angular acceleration just carry on increasing?

Angular acceleration and angular velocity are different things. If we ignore air resistance and friction at the pivot, the angular acceleration will be constant and the angular velocity will keep on increasing without limit until something breaks.

If you consider air resistance, it is possible that the system will reach a steady state before something breaks. That force increases with speed, so as the speed increases will eventually be striping enough to counteract the applied force. (as UltrafastPED points out, this situation is analogous to the terminal velocity reached by a falling object in air).
 
OK thanks both. This is what I thought (sorry about the velocity/acceleration mix up).

Puzzling thing was, I ran this simulation in a well known CAD software & after an initial transitory increase in velocity it hit a steady state with no further acceleration!
 

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