Will brain-computer interfaces reveal more about QM?

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The discussion revolves around the potential implications of brain-computer interfaces connected to quantum measurement devices and whether they could enhance our understanding of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the nature of quantum measurement devices and the relationship between brain states and quantum systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the definition of quantum measurement devices, suggesting examples like Stern-Gerlach magnets and half-silvered mirrors.
  • There is uncertainty expressed regarding whether the question posed is trivial or profound, particularly in relation to the influence of brain states on quantum systems.
  • One viewpoint argues that a brain-computer interface may not provide any advantage over existing observational techniques, as all observations are ultimately interpreted by a human brain.
  • Another perspective suggests that the speed of brain responses could provide a unique advantage, potentially allowing for direct experiences of quantum outcomes.
  • Some participants propose examining whether brain activity could influence measurement outcomes, raising questions about retrocausality and correlations between brain responses and quantum measurements.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of the brain affecting quantum outcomes, with skepticism about the validity of this line of reasoning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the effectiveness and implications of brain-computer interfaces in quantum measurement, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the relationship between brain states and quantum systems, with unresolved questions about the nature of influence and measurement outcomes.

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Will brain-computer interfaces that are hooked up to quantum measurement devices reveal more about quantum mechanics?
 
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What is a quantum measurement device?
 
EPR said:
What is a quantum measurement device?
I mean a device that gives the result of measurement of some quantum property, like a Stern-Gerlach magnet or a half silvered mirror. Or entanglement.
 
I am unsure if this is a stupid or a deep question...

Do you mean if transferring brain states to a (hypothetical) outer host will alter quantum systems states?
 
Why would a computer-brain interface be any better than other observational techniques. I mean, they are all electromecanical observations interpreted by a human brain so what difference would a direct brain interface make? It's likely the OBSERVATIONAL mechanism improvements will be where new data arises, not how their output gets into a brain.
 
EPR said:
I am unsure if this is a stupid or a deep question...

Do you mean if transferring brain states to a (hypothetical) outer host will alter quantum systems states?
I was thinking influencing measurement outcomes retrocausaly and/or establishing correlations between advanced brain responses and measurement outcomes.

It may or may not be true so it seems a scientific question.
 
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phinds said:
Why would a computer-brain interface be any better than other observational techniques. I mean, they are all electromecanical observations interpreted by a human brain so what difference would a direct brain interface make? It's likely the OBSERVATIONAL mechanism improvements will be where new data arises, not how their output gets into a brain.
For one thing brain responses are much faster and quantum outcomes can be experienced directly. You are right if measurement outcomes from quantum properties are definite, the only advantage is increased processing speed of the observer, but I would like to examine if the outcomes can be influenced by the brain.
 
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entropy1 said:
For one thing brain responses are much faster and quantum outcomes can be experienced directly.
Yes, that is clearly a SPEED advantage, but so what? It really doesn't challenge my point at all (my point being that the information derived is not going to be any better)
 
phinds said:
Yes, that is clearly a SPEED advantage, but so what? It really doesn't challenge my point at all (my point being that the information derived is not going to be any better)
Suppose we have a photon passing a half-silvered mirror and at both ends a detector hooked up to a brain or pair of brains. We don't know which detector will detect the photon. I would want to examine if the brain influences the outcome. If it does, it may "feel" like predicting the outcome.

It may not predict the outcome but still experience some "quantumness" that is unlike any currently known experiences. I am thinking correlations between the sensations of the outcomes and other sensations in the brain.
 
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I would want to examine if the brain influences the outcome.
Why would the brain affect the outcome when directly hooked up to the detector? I just don't get it. I think you're going to go nowhere with this line of reasoning, but that's up to you. I will bow out now.
 

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