Will Closed Valves Damage Heating System Pumps?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential damage to heating system pumps when they operate against closed valves. Participants explore the implications of this scenario on pump longevity and performance, considering various pump types and system configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that operating a pump against closed valves could be detrimental, potentially leading to long-term damage.
  • Another participant notes that the presence of a pressure unloading valve can mitigate issues, while the absence of such a valve may result in excessive pressures and blown seals.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that having a proper relief on the outlet of the pump can prevent damage, but relying on the pump's internal safety relief is not advisable.
  • One participant shares an anecdote about a small pump that was tested with a closed outlet valve, indicating that it did not sustain damage over an extended period, but cautions against similar practices with larger, more expensive pumps.
  • Another participant mentions that some pumps are designed to operate with a closed discharge, referencing hydraulic pumps that can manage pressure feedback effectively.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity for minimum flow through pumps, particularly for cooling purposes, with seal failures highlighted as a significant risk.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the impact of closed valves on pump performance is contingent upon the specific type of pump and system design. Multiple competing views remain regarding the conditions under which damage may occur.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific pump types being discussed, and the conversation reflects a range of assumptions regarding system configurations and operational conditions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals involved in heating system design, maintenance, or troubleshooting, as well as those interested in pump operation and performance under varying conditions.

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I was told that a pump in a heating system that from time to time pushes against closed valves is not good for the pump. If so, how will it affect the pump in the long run?
 
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It really depends on whether you also have a pressure unloading valve in the system. If so, there is no problem. Else, the pump sees excessive pressures; the usual result is blown seals.
 
If there is a proper relief on the outlet of the pump then it is not a bad thing at all. If you are counting on a pump's internal safety relief then it is not a good thing. I use the set up of a relief on the outlet port with the relief going back to the inlet of the pump all the time. The only thing you need to watch out for is the heating that will take place in that recirc loop.

I guess it all depends on what pump you are referring to.
 
Depends on the pump. I once worked at a plant where a very important (but small, like a pool pump size) was found to have its outlet valve inadvertently closed. Since this particular pump only runs occasionallly, it was OK but the question was, would it have wrecked itself if it had had to run? A mockup was built with a spare pump to duplicate the configuration. It was instrumented with temperature probes etc, and then started with the discharge closed. The test commenced with numerous observers including some from an interested regulatory agency. The pump temperature rose over the first ten minutes and then leveled off, vibration was normal, etc. As the first hour went by, the crowd of onlookers dissipated exponentially. I think they ran it for 12 hours, no change.

So, depends on the pump. I wouldn't try it with a big expensive one. And the system design shouldn't rely on the pump "taking it."
 
It really depends on the type of pump. Some pumps are simply made to run with the exhaust 'dead headed'. I recall posting on something similar in a hydraulics related thread. Some hydraulic pumps have fluid pressure feedback to the back side of the piston. The piston rides on a cam. When the pressure exceeds a certain value the piston 'floats'. I believe this is what is called 'going out of stroke'.
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It is not really possible to answer your question without knowing more about the pump in question
 
a lot of pumps require minimum flow thru them for various reasons, cooling being a big one, I think most likely seal failures are a major concern.
 

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