Will evolution eradicate homosexuality?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether evolution could potentially eradicate homosexuality, examining the genetic, social, and historical aspects of the topic. Participants explore the implications of societal acceptance of homosexuality on reproductive behaviors and the evolutionary perspective on sexual orientation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that homosexuality could be viewed as a genetic flaw from an evolutionary standpoint, as it does not directly contribute to reproduction.
  • Others argue that the causes of sexuality are complex and not solely determined by genetics, with some proposing that homosexuality may be a by-product of the broader capacity for sexuality.
  • There is a discussion about the role of social acceptance in influencing reproductive choices, with some suggesting that increased acceptance may lead to fewer homosexual individuals reproducing.
  • One participant mentions Hamilton's Rule, suggesting that behaviors that reduce individual reproductive fitness could still benefit the survival of shared genes among relatives.
  • Some participants highlight the historical variability of societal acceptance of homosexuality, noting that it has fluctuated over time.
  • Concerns are raised about the oversimplification of the relationship between genetics and sexual orientation, with references to studies on epigenetics and the complexity of behavioral traits.
  • There is a call for the discussion to remain grounded in scientific research rather than personal speculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the genetic basis of homosexuality and its implications for evolution. There is no consensus on whether evolution will eradicate homosexuality, and the discussion remains unresolved with various hypotheses presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of definitive understanding of the genetic and environmental factors influencing sexual orientation, as well as the complexity of human behavior that may not be easily explained by evolutionary theory alone.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying evolutionary biology, genetics, sociology, and psychology, as well as individuals curious about the interplay between societal norms and biological behaviors.

  • #31
Hopefully, in the coming decades someone will do studies of the descendants of the many thousands of openly gay men and women who are having babies these days. In my youth, one of my main desires was to have children. Even after I fully accepted my homosexuality, I truly wanted children of my own. But when I came out at 23, the organizations that provided that type of service were a bit sketchy. Happily, things have changed and I now see many same sex couples raising their own children.

BTW, I do not consider homosexuality to be a "flaw." It's been a gift to me and my family - biological and chosen.
 
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  • #32
jcbrascher said:
Hopefully, in the coming decades someone will do studies of the descendants of the many thousands of openly gay men and women who are having babies these days. In my youth, one of my main desires was to have children. Even after I fully accepted my homosexuality, I truly wanted children of my own. But when I came out at 23, the organizations that provided that type of service were a bit sketchy. Happily, things have changed and I now see many same sex couples raising their own children.

BTW, I do not consider homosexuality to be a "flaw." It's been a gift to me and my family - biological and chosen.

What do you hope to come out of the studies? I too hope that laws, culture and attitude can change to make it as easy for homosexual couples to have and raise children as heterosexuals. The science behind it is obviously very hard but there are already avenues, the main stumbling block is culture (depending on where you live obviously).
 
  • #33
My hope is that studies will reveal that homosexuality is not an aberration to be cured, nor an impediment to human reproduction and certainly not the result of the supposed predatory nature of the "gay agenda." ;-)
While we are, in general, better off culturally than we were a few generations ago, there are still huge pockets of opposition to our very right to exist. Even in America.
 
  • #34
jcbrascher said:
My hope is that studies will reveal that homosexuality is not an aberration to be cured, nor an impediment to human reproduction and certainly not the result of the supposed predatory nature of the "gay agenda." ;-)
While we are, in general, better off culturally than we were a few generations ago, there are still huge pockets of opposition to our very right to exist. Even in America.

There is already a wealth of evidence to show that homosexuality is not an "aberration" considering that we know it is not a disease but a healthy facet of human development. I make that claim on the basis that a vast amount of research has gone into homosexuality and nothing has shown that it produces a negative effect on the individual (other than social concerns) and there is nothing there that fits the definition of defect or disease. Unfortunately no matter how much evidence there was people would still believe this because for the most of them it's a matter of ideology whether religious or culture and evidence doesn't factor into it unless they think it agrees with them.

Obviously it is an impediment to reproduction in the sense that the two reproductive organs that are needed are not present in a homosexual relationship however there are other avenues and hopefully technologies that will be matured for use in the future.

Also a minor point but many people on this site are not American (me included) so when you post you might want to bear that in mind.
 
  • #35
Ryan_m_b said:
Also a minor point but many people on this site are not American (me included) so when you post you might want to bear that in mind.

I meant no offense. I'm very sorry if my comment was taken as such. I just know that many Americans think they live in the most enlightened society in the world. I've never encountered more closed-minedness than in my own country and it makes me sad. Whenever I've traveled outside the country, I've been met with nothing but kindness.
 
  • #36
jcbrascher said:
I meant no offense. I'm very sorry if my comment was taken as such. I just know that many Americans think they live in the most enlightened society in the world. I've never encountered more closed-minedness than in my own country and it makes me sad. Whenever I've traveled outside the country, I've been met with nothing but kindness.

Don't worry, no offence was taken! All I meant to do was to remind/inform you (and others who read the post) that many members and guests to the site aren't American and so either might not understand the reference or feel automatically isolated from the conversation when one culture is referred to as "we" without clarification.
 
  • #37
Ryan_m_b said:
Unfortunately no matter how much evidence there was people would still believe this because for the most of them it's a matter of ideology whether religious or culture and evidence doesn't factor into it unless they think it agrees with them.

Obviously it is an impediment to reproduction in the sense that the two reproductive organs that are needed are not present in a homosexual relationship however there are other avenues and hopefully technologies that will be matured for use in the future.
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So true. It amazes me how many of our (US) political candidates don't even believe in evolution. Or global climate change. And I think the evidence for both of those is much more abundant than any evidence that homosexuality isn't a disease or mental illness.

Humans are a funny species.
 
  • #38
Ryan_m_b said:
Don't worry, no offence was taken! All I meant to do was to remind/inform you (and others who read the post) that many members and guests to the site aren't American and so either might not understand the reference or feel automatically isolated from the conversation when one culture is referred to as "we" without clarification.

Got it. Thank you! :smile:
 
  • #39
Will homosexuality eradicate evolution is much more terrifying question.
 
  • #40
purefaith33 said:
Will homosexuality eradicate evolution is much more terrifying question.

...:confused:

Confused face, is confused...
 

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