Wireless transmission of power along a railway track

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of wireless power transmission for high-speed railways in China, exploring its feasibility, potential methods, and historical context. Participants speculate on the technology's implementation and its implications for health and safety.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that China is developing high-speed railways using wireless power transmission, suggesting it could reduce the need for frequent replacement of sliding electrodes.
  • One participant references Nikola Tesla's early work on wireless power, comparing it to modern wireless chargers that convert electricity to electromagnetic radiation.
  • Another participant questions the technical details of the project, asking about the frequency used and the shielding planned for the train cars.
  • A participant proposes the use of a linear transmission method with a "transformer" car, speculating that high-speed trains will likely be maglev.
  • One idea presented involves using a linear induction motor, which could provide both propulsion and magnetic levitation, though it is noted that this method may be costly compared to overhead power systems.
  • Participants express a lack of detailed technical information, relying on general news sources for updates on the project's challenges.
  • One participant cites a claim that a system could transmit over 13,000 horsepower to a train using resonant magnetic induction, sufficient for high-speed travel.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specifics of the technology or its feasibility, with multiple competing views and speculative ideas presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include a lack of detailed technical specifications, uncertainty regarding the implementation methods, and reliance on general news articles for information about the project's challenges.

Edwina Lee
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China is embarking on developing high speed railways that use wireless transmission of power, thus reducing the need to replace the sliding electrode which needs frequent replacement.
The project is aware of the health & safety issue, of course. It also implies that they have already come to the conclusion that it is not infeasible. In fact, likely to be feasible.

Would you like to speculate how this might work?
 
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Nikola Tesla first developed the technology a long time ago. The wireless device chargers available use the same basis, I believe. They simply convert the electricity to electromagnetic radiation which travels through the air with very little resistance. When the radiation arrives at a receiver it is converted back into electricity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power
 
Edwina Lee said:
China is embarking on developing high speed railways that use wireless transmission of power, thus reducing the need to replace the sliding electrode which needs frequent replacement.
The project is aware of the health & safety issue, of course. It also implies that they have already come to the conclusion that it is not infeasible. In fact, likely to be feasible.

Would you like to speculate how this might work?

Welcome to the PF.

Do you have a reference with technical information about that project? Probably coils are used under the cars to transfer AC energy into the train, but yeah, what frequency are they using and how much shielding is planned for the undersides of the cars...?
 
I would imagine they would use a linear transmission method and use a "transformer" car. I also imagine high-speed will necessarily be maglev?
 
Edwina Lee said:
China is embarking on developing high speed railways that use wireless transmission of power, thus reducing the need to replace the sliding electrode which needs frequent replacement.
The project is aware of the health & safety issue, of course. It also implies that they have already come to the conclusion that it is not infeasible. In fact, likely to be feasible.

Would you like to speculate how this might work?
One technique may be the linear induction motor, which can provide propulsion as well as magnetic levitation. It uses a sequence of coils along the track, which are driven with a phase difference like an ordinary induction motor, so as to provide a moving field. The technique was invented, I believe, by Professor Eric Laithewaite, of the UK, in the 1960s. Such a system would, of course, be very costly. The more economical way of implementing it is to use the magnets on the train and have overhead power.
 
Per the article,

"Sun said his system could "beam" more than 13,000 horsepower, or 9.7MW, to a train using resonant magnetic induction, enough to easily propel a fully loaded subway train or a high-speed train at 350km/h or more."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling (same thing)


 

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