Wireless Power Project need Help (Its not same old thing)

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Discussion Overview

This discussion revolves around a project focused on wireless power transmission using microwave technology, specifically aiming to charge a cell phone. Participants explore various aspects of the project, including theoretical foundations, practical considerations, and technical challenges related to microwave transmission and antenna design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to create a wireless power transmission prototype using microwave transmission, acknowledging its feasibility concerns.
  • Another participant suggests researching "Near Field propagation," highlighting its differences from Far Field propagation and its relevance to the project.
  • A third participant introduces the Friis transmission formula for calculating received power, emphasizing the importance of understanding power transmission and antenna design.
  • Concerns are raised about potential legal issues related to RF spectrum interference when transmitting higher power signals.
  • Participants discuss the selection of wave frequency and antenna design, noting that the size of the antenna must correspond to the chosen frequency.
  • Technical details are provided regarding the calculation of open circuit voltage at the receiving antenna, including the need to understand electric fields and effective length.
  • Further technical insights are shared about the behavior of electric and magnetic fields in the near field, including mathematical formulations and the Poynting vector.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of microwave transmission for this application, with some arguing against its practicality while others provide technical support for the concept. Multiple competing views on the approach to wireless power transmission remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific antenna designs and the unresolved nature of the calculations related to power transmission and field interactions.

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So, i have decided to make this wireless power transmission project and it is not through mutual induction but microwave transmission.

I know , Microwave transmission ain't feasible and stuff and it has been discussed and all here, but i just want to make a small prototype , like a meter or even less.

I want to charge my cell phone using that..
Charger Specs
800mA and 5-7 V.

Now, i don't know a lot about communication but i plan to learn through this project.
According to my basic understanding,
I plan to get the required wave using a Function generator of CRO.
Transmit it using an Antennae, receive it... Convert to DC and then connect to the battery.

How do i select the wave frequency i want?
How do i get the preferred voltage ?

I can calculate the watts i require for the charging, but how do I use the information for selecting a wave. Please help.

Thanks in advance.
 
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If you are thinking of "Tesla" or recent wireless power concepts, you need to research "Near Field propagation" because that's what all these use. Near Field is different from regular radio propagation also known as Far Field propagation.

Generally Near Field only occurs close to the antenna (relative to wavelength). Hence the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field
 
"So, i have decided to make this wireless power transmission project and it is not through mutual induction but microwave transmission."

Note, this discussion assumes far-zone.
You might start your design with the Friis transmission formula for received power:

P_{rec} = \frac{P_{t}G_{t}G_{r}\lambda^{2}}{(4\pi r)^{2}}

"Microwave transmission ain't feasible"

Not so. Your smart phone is one of many examples of devices that transmit power in the microwave region.

"How do i select the wave frequency i want?"

There are a lot of details to consider here. First, you need to know how much power you will be transmitting. This is important since your higher power signal might jam any receivers operating at nearby frequencies, including your smart phone. This could get you in serious legal trouble as the RF spectrum is already packed and the FCC maintains strict regulations concerning in-band and out-of-band interferers.

Next, you have to consider your antenna design. If you're going to use a dipole, you will most likely size it to be slightly less than \frac{\lambda}{2} in length. So, your choice of frequency will have to be such that a half wave dipole is of reasonable size.

"How do i get the preferred voltage ?"

Once you have settled on an antenna design, you can determine the open circuit voltage at the terminals of your receiving antenna. In order to do this, you must be able to calculate three quantities:
1.) the electric field, \vec{E}^{inc}, that is incident on your receiving antenna. This is the far-zone electric field radiated by your transmitting antenna.
2.) the electric field, \vec{E}_{a} of your receiving antenna. This is the far-zone field your receiver would radiate if it were a transmitter instead.
3.) the vector effective length (aka vector effective height), \vec{l}_{e}. This is quantity is derived from \vec{E}_{a}.

Then, the open circuit voltage V_{OC} = \vec{E}^{inc} * \vec{l}_{e} (note that this is a dot product).

Regards
 
jsgruszynski suggested considering the near field. There are important reasons for this. In general, the total \vec{E} and \vec{H} fields have terms that are proportional \frac{1}{r}, \frac{1}{r^{2}} and \frac{1}{r^{3}}. These higher power of r terms represent energy that is stored within the fields near to the radiating element. To see this for yourself consider an infinitesimal electric dipole (l << \lambda) with constant current directed along \hat{z}. You can use the vector potential \vec{A}(\vec{r}) to solve for \vec{E} and \vec{H} using:

\vec{A}(\vec{r}) = \frac{\mu}{4\pi}\int^{l/2}_{-l/2}\vec{J}_{l}(\vec{r}&#039;)\frac{e^{-jkr}}{r}dz&#039;

\vec{E} = -j\omega\vec{A} - j\frac{1}{\omega\mu\epsilon}\nabla(\nabla \cdot\vec{A})

and

\vec{H} = \frac{1}{\mu}\nabla\times\vec{A}

If you've done the math correctly, you will see that the \theta component of \vec{E} will have all three of the aforementioned \frac{1}{r^{n}} terms.

Once you have the fields, you can consider the Poynting vector:

\vec{S} = \frac{1}{2}\vec{E}\times\vec{H}^{*}

You will notice that S will not be entirely real nor will it be entirely directed along \vec{r}.

The power P_{t} from the Friis formula is given as

P_{t} = \int\int_{S}\Re(\vec{S} )\cdot\hat{n}dA

As you can see, only the real part of the radial component of the power density, S is radiated.

If you want to learn more, I suggest having a look at "Antenna Theory" by Balanis.

Regards
 

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