With a t distribution, can I find the p value?

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The discussion revolves around finding the p-value using a t distribution, exploring the relationship between the t distribution and its mathematical properties. Participants are examining the integration of the t distribution and its comparison to the normal distribution.

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  • Participants discuss the possibility of integrating the t distribution to find p-values, with some noting that the p-value represents the probability of obtaining extreme values relative to a test statistic. Questions arise about the nature of the t distribution and the gamma function, as well as the lack of a closed form for its integral.

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With a t distribution, can I find the p value?

With a normal distribution, I know the equation is y=e^(-x^2)/sqr(2*pi).

Is there a t distribution I can integrate for a t distribution?
 
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yes, you can find the p-value of a t distribution. the p-value is the probability of getting something as extreme or more extreme than your test statistic. So, ff you know your test statistic, you can find the p-value.
 
If you are dealing with tests for one mean, each different sample size has a different t-distribution.
I'm not sure what you're after - if you use software the p-value will be (is, for the software with which I'm aware) reported with the output. if you are working by hand, you should know how to use tables to find, or at least approximate, p-values.
 
I want to be able to form the equation of the distribution and then integrate to solve for the p value.
 
There is no closed form integral for the t-distribution density (of course there isn't for the normal distribution's density either). (Actually, the cumulative function involves a hypergeometric function).

The density for the t-distribution that has [itex]k[/itex] degrees of freedom is

[tex] f(x) = \frac{\Gamma\left(\frac{k+1}{2}\right)}{\sqrt{\, \k \pi} \Gamma\left(\frac k 2\right)}\left(1 + \frac {x^2} k\right)^{-\left(\frac{k+1}2\right)}[/tex]
 
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What is gamma?
 
[itex]\Gamma[/itex] is the gamma function.
 
Is the gamma function defined by a formula with unknowns? And if so, what is it?
 
The general definition is

[tex] \Gamma(x) = \int_0^\infty t^{x-1} e^{-t} \, dt[/tex]

The integral converges for [itex]x > 1[/itex]. (It can be defined for complex values as well,
but that isn't needed for your question.)

Dustinsfl said:
Is the gamma function defined by a formula with unknowns? And if so, what is it?

If [itex]x[/itex] is a positive integer it can be shown that

[tex] \Gamma(x) = (x-1)![/tex]
 

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