Witnessed Supercooled Liquid Phenomenon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of supercooled liquids, specifically in the context of a soda bottle that remained liquid despite being stored in cold conditions. Participants explore the underlying principles of freezing and the behavior of dissolved gases in solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes witnessing a soda bottle that remained liquid in cold temperatures until opened, leading to rapid freezing around escaping CO2 bubbles.
  • Another participant suggests that as CO2 escapes from the solution, the melting point of the solution rises, potentially leading to freezing when the temperature is below this new melting point.
  • Several participants question the concept of a gas having a melting point, emphasizing that melting points are typically associated with solids and liquids, not gases.
  • Some participants clarify that the melting point referenced pertains to the solution of soda, not the CO2 gas itself, and that the presence of CO2 affects the freezing point of the liquid mixture.
  • One participant argues that the behavior of CO2 in solution alters the intermolecular forces of water, affecting the temperature at which the mixture solidifies.
  • Another participant notes that the boiling and freezing points of mixtures differ from those of pure substances, providing examples of practical applications like antifreeze in engine cooling systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the concept of melting points in relation to gases and solutions, with some asserting that gases do not have melting points while others argue that the solution itself does. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the nature of the phenomenon observed.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of melting points and the behavior of gases in solutions, as well as the assumptions made about the interactions between CO2 and water molecules.

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I had a two liter soda bottle stored outside in the cold. When I retrieved it, the contents was still liquid. Upon opening it, however, when the CO2 bubbles began to escape, the entire contents froze almost instantly around the bubbles. I am curious about what phenomenon I witnessed.
 
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As the CO2 goes out of solution, the melting point rises. When the melting point exceeds the temperature, it freezes.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
As the CO2 goes out of solution, the melting point rises. When the melting point exceeds the temperature, it freezes.

How can a gas have a melting point? It is driven into solution by pressure and comes out of solution when that pressure is released.

Solids have a melting point, and when that point is reached, a solid becomes a liquid. Not so for a gas.
 
The solution has a melting point. Or a freezing point. It's the same thing.
 
RJ Emery said:
How can a gas have a melting point? It is driven into solution by pressure and comes out of solution when that pressure is released.

Solutions are homogenous mixtures. When in solution, the CO2 is dissolved on a molecular level. The melting point V50 referred to was that of your soda (the stuff that froze), not the CO2 that escaped. The melting point of the solution was lower before the CO2 escaped.
 
RJ Emery said:
How can a gas have a melting point? It is driven into solution by pressure and comes out of solution when that pressure is released.

Solids have a melting point, and when that point is reached, a solid becomes a liquid. Not so for a gas.
Try to avoid getting hung up on simple definitions of states. Despite what we learn at school, many substances are not simple solids, liquids or gases. (Peanut butter, whipped cream . .. . . )
CO2 is just a compound and the molecules will behave according to what's going on in their immediate vicinity. Free CO2 has CO2 molecules around it and does not 'stick to them' at temperatures in a freezer (it is gaseous). It is the mixture of CO2 and H2O that behaves as a liquid at sub-zero temperatures - not the CO2. When the molecules are in amongst water molecules (solution) their presence affect the intermolecular forces of the water molecules and alter the temperature at which the mixture goes solid.

The boiling and freezing temperatures of mixtures are usually different from those of the pure substances. We use salt on roads and Glycerol in engine cooling systems (anti-freeze) for this reason. 'Anti-freeze' also raises the boiling point of engine coolant, btw, so it is useful in two ways.
 

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