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[kuruman]

Assured solution method count update. (Success/Fail): 9/0 - 100.0%/0.0%

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,322 3/6

 

[Orodruin]

people prefer raising their glasses better than eating roast!

Depends on whether they are vegetarian or teetotalers …

 

[jack action]

Depends on whether they are vegetarian or teetotalers …

Who says there is alcohol in the glass? And, of course, people in NY are vegetarians.

 

[Orodruin]

Who says there is alcohol in the glass? And, of course, people in NY are vegetarians.

TOAST could also refer to a browned piece of sliced bread. Probably a more common use in the end. At least it was my first association…

 

[kuruman]

TOAST could also refer to a browned piece of sliced bread. Probably a more common use in the end. At least it was my first association…

Spoiler

Also, when it is said that someone is TOAST, it means that they are done for, kaput or more colloquially in deep doodoo.

 

[Orodruin]

Also, when it is said that someone is TOAST, it means that they are done for, kaput or more colloquially in deep doodoo.

Having your talk ROASTed at a conference certainly doesn’t carry positive connotations either …

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,322 4/6






disclaimer - I did look at the used words for this one

 

[Orodruin]

disclaimer - I did look at the used words for this one

There are only 4 words in total that satisfy the *OAST pattern. 2 had already been used, but chances are you already had some excluded with the gray squares anyway?

 

[dwarde]

Very few words to choose from after my seed word.

Wordle 1,322 2/6

 

[Orodruin]

Very few words to choose from after my seed word.

Wordle 1,322 2/6

Nice!

 

[kuruman]

There are only 4 words in total that satisfy the *OAST pattern. 2 had already been used, but chances are you already had some excluded with the gray squares anyway?

Spoiler

Actually, there are two more but less known. See
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...~:text=Definition of 'hoast'&text=1.,to cough
and
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Loast

 

[Orodruin]

Spoiler

Actually, there are two more but less known. See
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/hoast#:~:text=Definition of 'hoast'&text=1.,to cough
and
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Loast

Those are not among the possible the Wordle solutions, which is the relevant metric here.

 

[kuruman]

Those are not among the possible the Wordle solutions, which is the relevant metric here.

Spoiler

I am not sure you are correct there. They are possible in Octordle so they must be possible in Wordle. Are you willing to risk your streak to prove me wrong?

 

[jack action]

Spoiler

I am not sure you are correct there. They are possible in Octordle so they must be possible in Wordle. View attachment 356652

Possible as a guess but not possible as an answer (in Wordle at least).

 

[kuruman]

Possible as a guess but not possible as an answer (in Wordle at least).

Agreed. I was responding to the statement that

There are only 4 words in total that satisfy the *OAST pattern.

My reply #6,314 was hasty.

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 323 2/6




5 left after ALERT. No perfect filter. REFIT, REMIT, RIVET had E(S) = 2.

 

[kuruman]

The initial filter gave 3 candidates BOAST COAST TOAST none of which could serve as a filter for the others and makes it a guaranteed 5. The same 3 are obtained after the first 2 guesses. This illustrates the inefficiency of the assured solution method for some of the words.

Assured solution method count update. (Success/Fail): 10/0 - 100.0%/0.0%

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,323 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,323 5/6

[STEAL] 30 left
[INCUR] filter - 6 left: REFIT REMIT RIVET TRIBE TRIED TRIPE
[TRIBE] filter - 3 left: REFIT REMIT RIVET
[REMIT] filter - 1 left
[RIVET]

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,323 4/6

BLINK
CRUST
RIGHT
RIVET

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,323 4/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,323 5/6

[STEAL] 30 left
[INCUR] filter - 6 left: REFIT REMIT RIVET TRIBE TRIED TRIPE
[TRIBE] filter - 3 left: REFIT REMIT RIVET
[REMIT] filter - 1 left
[RIVET]

We seem to have evolved into the same algorithm, as replaying the game with your seed, I get the same subsequent filters and result.

What do you get if you use my seed: ECLAT
FIRNS was my second filter, which resulted in only 1 solution.

 

[jack action]

We seem to have evolved into the same algorithm, as replaying the game with your seed, I get the same subsequent filters and result.

What do you get if you use my seed: ECLAT
FIRNS was my second filter, which resulted in only 1 solution.

Not quite:

[ECLAT] 12 left: BEFIT REFIT REMIT RESET RIVET SHEET SWEPT TENET THEFT TWEET UNSET WREST
[WISER] filter - 1 left
[RIVET]

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 324 3/6





Drat! The choice among 8 was between the 2nd guess and the actual solution …

1/8 of solving in 2, the guess could have left a group of 3. The remaining 4 would be filtered.

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,324 3/6

 

[kuruman]

Assured solution method count update. (Success/Fail): 11/0 - 100.0%/0.0%

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,324 3/6

[SONAR] 17 left
[CUBIT] filter - 3 left: CHORE CROCK CROOK
[CHORE] I did choose it but let's leave this one to serendipity instead of most probable.

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,324 4/6

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,324 4/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 325 3/6

Spoiler: Google sheet analysis

ALERT (seed):

Ufffff! Things are looking grim ... Luckily, the sheet tells me that DIVER has an expected remaining entropy of 1.62 - corresponding to about 3 words remaining, meaning that at least I should be able to solve in 3 or 4 if things don't go awry.

DIVER:

There it is!

 

[Orodruin]

Other fun things to do with Google Sheets:

Checking the scenario where my standard seed returns all misses. 102 words remaining, but still getting the expected entropy down to 1.62 after the next guess (corresponding to 3.08 words remaining after that guess).

I feel my old strategy of using SCION as the second seed if ALERT does not give much information is somewhat validated by SCION being the third best second guess in this scenario, only slightly out-edged by SPINY and NOISY.

FUZZY and FIZZY would be horrible second guesses ...

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,325 3/6

[PALER] 39 left
[CUTIS] filter - 1 left
[REVUE]

 

[kuruman]

Assured solution method count update. (Success/Fail): 12/0 - 100.0%/0.0%

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,325 3/6

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,325 5/6







ugh

 

[dwarde]

A little luck involved here

Wordle 1,325 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,326 3/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 326 3/6

Spoiler: Google sheet analysis

ALERT did not sit well with today's solution. Luckily, SOUTH was determined to be an excellent filter word with an expected remaining entropy of 0.94.

Pretty much spot on expectation, 2 words remaining, BOOTH and TOOTH. Had to pick one!

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,326 4/6

 

[kuruman]

Assured solution method count update. (Success/Fail): 13/0 - 100.0%/0.0%

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,326 3/6

[TRAIL] 12 left
[HONEY] filter - 1 left
[TOOTH]

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,326 3/6

 

[Orodruin]

More Google Sheet analytics:

The first table is a number of starting words that I tested for the expected remaining entropy after playing that word given the words that remain after today. Actually surprised to see ALERT do so well in comparison.

The second table are the current (after today) remaining occurrences of all the letters in order of most occurrences to least. E is still by far the most common letter. After EAR it is pretty even among LSOIT so any word with EAR and two from the LSOIT group would be good starting word candidates I suppose. Anybody has any good ones to test?

EDIT: Of course too good to be true. I must have quoted the ALERT result before the computation completed. The correct expected entropy for ALERT is 4.41. Here are some interesting ones selected by using the words with the highest number of remaining occurrences of unique letters in the word:

WOOZY was on the bottom of the list and is a horrible, horrible starting word.

 

[gmax137]

Anybody has any good ones to test?

how about:
CLEAR, then
TOILS

I have been using BLINK as my starter, that stops now!
The frequencies based on your table are 18th, 4th, 7, 9, 20

EDIT: OOps you were asking for just the starter word. Let me think

2nd EDIT:
EARLS, OILER, TREAT (for the double letter)

 

[Orodruin]

how about:
CLEAR, then
TOILS

You mean as a combination of two start words? My sheet doesn't compute that.
I only compute the expected entropy for the start word by itself, then when I insert the result of the start word it computes the expected remaining entropy if choosing each remaining word based on the words remaining. So it takes the result from the seed into account when doing so.

Nevertheless:
CLEAR pops in at 4.58. Not too shabby, but it has already been used as a solution and therefore will most likely never get you that 1.
TOILS is slightly worse as a stand-alone seed, it has an expected remaining entropy of 4.82.

I have been using BLINK as my starter, that stops now!
The frequencies based on your table are 18th, 4th, 7, 9, 20

BLINK: 5.79 in expected remaining entropy. But it can still be a solution since it has not been used yet! And it is still significantly better than WOOZY at 7.14.

Edit: Just to translate entropy to something a bit more tangible: 5.79 in entropy means having almost 3 times as many remaining words as the 4.23 of ARISE.

 

[jack action]

Anybody has any good ones to test?

My first and last 13 words:

4191 arise
4283 saner
4287 arose
4321 least
4344 later
4375 alert
4381 parse
4422 siren
4437 roast
4458 suite
4462 leant
4467 rinse
4506 spare

7894 woozy
7967 pygmy
8001 freer
8114 femme
8135 kappa
8253 slyly
8336 ninny
8428 eerie
9234 mamma
9330 geese
10488 emcee
10520 melee
10612 tepee

I just compute the sum, thus the large number.

SANER and AROSE often change places from day to day.

 

[Orodruin]

I just compute the sum, thus the large number.

SANER and AROSE often change places from day to day.

Google Sheets unfortunately is way too slow to do the full computation for all words and still be viable. I would have to leave it running all day.

I am a bit curious about your word list. According to the one I use there should be 1000 words left after today so the numbers should differ by a factor 1000, which seems approximately true but only approximately ... (That is, assuming you are employing the entropy scoring discussed a couple of months back)

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 327 3/6

Spoiler: Google sheet analysis

Changing to ARISE as starter:

A pretty bad result given ARISE. Only 5 patterns that are worse, including all grays. Still, LEANT seems like a reasonable guess with a pretty good outcome space.

LEANT:

Not too shabby, although more than expected entropy (anything not outright solving it would have). Any of the words will solve the Wordle at most in 4 guesses. Going to have to go with PEDAL.

TADA!

After 1 week of using the spreadsheet, my statistics are:

Pretty decent although statistics are low. Definitely better than my full history, but not clear how much is attributable to the sheet vs other changes made along the way.

 

[jack action]

Google Sheets unfortunately is way too slow to do the full computation for all words and still be viable. I would have to leave it running all day.

I am a bit curious about your word list. According to the one I use there should be 1000 words left after today so the numbers should differ by a factor 1000, which seems approximately true but only approximately ... (That is, assuming you are employing the entropy scoring discussed a couple of months back)

I have a Bash program that takes 30-35 min to compute. I set a Cron job to do it at night so I can use it in the morning.

In the interest of performance - it used to take more than half an hour - I do the calculations for only 237 possible outcomes (even though $3^5 = 243$). Some like should be impossible to get. I might have made a mistake by removing one too many, but I don't think so.

The equation is:

total=$(bc -l <<< "$total + $c * l ($c) / 0.693147181")

Where the function l(x) in the program bc is actually $\ln(x)$.