Work and Electrostatics - a bit of Clarification, please

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving work and electrostatics, specifically focusing on the interaction of charges and gravitational forces on a box being moved up a ramp. The subject area includes concepts from electrostatics and mechanics.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between gravitational force and electrostatic force, questioning how to determine the necessary charge magnitudes to keep the box stationary. There is also discussion about the initial energy of the box and whether it should be considered negative or zero. Participants express confusion regarding the calculations for work done in separating charges and the force required to push the box.

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The discussion includes various attempts to clarify concepts and calculations, with some participants questioning the validity of their answers and the definitions of potential energy. There is no explicit consensus on the value of the initial energy or the work required, but participants are actively engaging with the problem and seeking clarification.

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Participants mention the need to define reference points for potential energy and express uncertainty about the correctness of their sources and calculations. There is a reference to a previous solution that may not be fully trusted, indicating a lack of confidence in external resources.

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Work and Electrostatics - Help!

Homework Statement



I need to place equal and oppositve charges on a piano and at the top of a 5.0 meter ramp in order to move a 1000 kg box up a 30 degree frictionless ramp. The box has a charge of +Q and the top has a -Q.

A) What magnitude charges do I need to keep the box at the bottom and not moving?

B) What is the initial energy of the box?

*Why is it negative?

*Or is it zero?


C) How much work does it take to separate the charges from 5 m to infinity?

D) How much work does it take to push the box by hand?
Work = Fd
How do I find the force that's necessary?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



A) Solved

I solved B, but I just wanted to check that B and C, the answers should be equal? I got an answer of -24.5 kJ for B and is C 24.5 kJ (positive?)

* Or is the answer to B actually zero? I'm told to "make sure" I define my zeros for potential energy. And I found an explanation on handysolver.com (i don't think it's a trustworthy site) that says that B is zero because the zeros were all there, but doesn't the +Q charge still exert a force?



Thanks a lot in advance, I realize my work is a little scatterbrained...
 
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*But I don't understand the "then" part - can someone explain how to transform the equation?

He set the Fg=Fe and solved for Q
 
L outside the radical is the same as L^2 inside the radical...
 
And is B zero? I guess someone else had the exact same problem, because I found a solution:

http://handysolver.com/problemsandso...problem_id=418

that says that B is zero, but I really don't think so.
 
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