Calculating Work and Energy in Electrostatic Systems

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The discussion revolves around calculating work and energy in an electrostatic system involving a 1000 kg box on a frictionless ramp inclined at 30 degrees. The original poster describes a scenario where electric charges are used to prevent the box from sliding down the ramp, raising questions about the forces at play and the necessary charge magnitudes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between electric forces and gravitational forces acting on the box. There are attempts to clarify the problem setup and the equations relevant to the scenario, including Coulomb's Law and potential energy considerations.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants questioning the relevance of gravitational forces in the context of electrostatics. Guidance has been provided regarding the need to balance forces to prevent movement, but no consensus has been reached on the specific charge magnitudes required.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a clear problem statement and the necessity for a basic attempt at a solution to facilitate further discussion. There is also mention of the need to consider the geometry of the ramp in relation to the forces involved.

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Homework Statement



I decide to use electric charges to move a 1000 kg box up a 30 degree frictionless ramp. I decide to put equal and opposite charges on the box and at the top of the 5.9 meter ramp.

Basically there is a right triangle with a box at the bottom with +q written next to it. The hypotenuse os 5.0 meters and the base angle where the box is standing is 30 degrees. At the top, it says -q

a) what magnitude charges do you need to keep the box from moving?

b) what is the initial energy of the box.

c) How much work does it take to separate the two charges from the 5.0 m apart to infinity?

d) how much work does it take to push the piano up by hand?

Homework Equations



PE=qV

F=kQ1Q2/r^2 (Coulumb's Law)
k = 9*10^9 Nm^2/C^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I think that you have to use cosine/sine somewhere. Also, energy is conserved so that probably has something to do with it.
 
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hockeybro12 said:

Homework Statement



I decide to use electric charges to move a 1000 kg box up a 30 degree frictionless ramp. I decide to put equal and opposite charges on the box and at the top of the 5.9 meter ramp.

Basically there is a right triangle with a box at the bottom with +q written next to it. The hypotenuse os 5.0 meters and the base angle where the box is standing is 30 degrees. At the top, it says -q


Homework Equations



I'm not sure. Maybe Coulumb's law. prob sine and cosine


The Attempt at a Solution



You haven't actually indicated here what problem you are being asked to solve.

Also, you'll have to show some sort of attempt (even a very basic start) at a solution. What have you tried so far on this problem? If you're stuck, what is it that you don't understand?
 
cepheid said:
You haven't actually indicated here what problem you are being asked to solve.

Also, you'll have to show some sort of attempt (even a very basic start) at a solution. What have you tried so far on this problem? If you're stuck, what is it that you don't understand?

I have edited the original thing. Sorry, I forgot about those 2 things.
 
The box is just going to slide down a frictionless ramp due to gravity, in the absence of any other forces. So, in this case, to keep the box from moving, the electric force, which is directed up the ramp, would have to cancel this gravitational force.

You should be able to work out, from the geometry of the situation, what the component of the gravitational force parallel to the ramp is.
 
cepheid said:
The box is just going to slide down a frictionless ramp due to gravity, in the absence of any other forces. So, in this case, to keep the box from moving, the electric force, which is directed up the ramp, would have to cancel this gravitational force.

You should be able to work out, from the geometry of the situation, what the component of the gravitational force parallel to the ramp is.

Hello, but aren't we supposed to use electrostatics and find a magnitude for a charge? I really don't see how gravity will help.
 
Never mind, thanks for your help. I have figured it out.
 

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