Work done as a function of time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of work done on a body as a function of time, particularly in scenarios where forces are applied but there is no motion, such as holding an object against gravity. Participants explore the relationship between work, power, and the implications of time in these contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that work done can be described as a function of time when a force acts upon an object.
  • Others propose that considering power, which is force times velocity, might be more useful, depending on the situation.
  • A participant questions whether work is done when holding an object stationary against gravity, emphasizing the role of time in this analysis.
  • It is noted that with zero velocity, power is zero, leading to the conclusion that work done does not change in such cases.
  • Participants discuss the concept of reaction mass in the context of rockets and whether the work done to throw the reaction mass equates to the work done to hold another mass in place.
  • One participant argues that using rockets to hold an object in a fixed position is inefficient compared to simpler methods that do not require work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on whether work can be effectively described as a function of time in the absence of motion, and multiple competing views regarding the efficiency of using rockets versus other methods remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of work and power, and the implications of holding an object stationary against gravitational forces are not fully resolved.

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Hey guys, can the work done on a body be described as the function of time during which a force acts upon it?
 
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You can do this.
It might be more useful to consider power, but that depends on the setup.
 
I mean in a situation like where you hold an object against, say, gravity for some time would there be any work done? From what we know, until there is no motion, the work done is zero. But would it be possible to look at this problem from the "time" point of view?
For example you have a mass 'm' being attracted to another mass 'M'. You want to keep 'm' from getting to 'M'. So, say you use a rocket to push 'm', against the direction of its motion. If you manage to stop it and hold it against the gravity of 'M', would any work be done? If yes, work against what?
 
Power is force times velocity, and power is the derivative of work done. With zero velocity, power is zero and therefore work done does not change.

A rocket has to do work in your setup, but that is used to accelerate its reaction mass.
 
Reaction mass?
 
That stuff which gets ejected. In chemical rockets, it is the same as its fuel. In other designs (like ion drives), it can be different.
See this explanation for details.
 
Thanks. So basically the work done to throw the reaction mass is the work done to hold the 'm' in its place?
 
Well, it is work done by the rocket to counter some force (here: gravity) - this just shows that rockets are a bad idea if you want to hold something in a fixed distance. A simple connection gives the same result and does not have to do work.
 

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