Work done by a expanding and contracting wire over a Carnot cycle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a wire during a Carnot cycle, given a specific equation of state related to the wire's properties. The problem involves both isothermal and adiabatic processes, with participants exploring the implications of the first law of thermodynamics in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the first law of thermodynamics and the calculation of work done during isothermal and adiabatic processes. There are attempts to express work in terms of tension and length changes, as well as questions about the definitions of variables used in the equations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the calculations for isothermal processes, while others express confusion regarding the adiabatic processes and seek clarification on specific variables and methods. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between temperature, tension, and length in the context of the problem.

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Participants mention a potential lack of clarity regarding the source of the problem, with references to a professor's possible creation of the problem rather than it being from a textbook.

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Homework Statement



Basically I have the following problem. Given the equation of state \sigma = \frac{b}{T}\frac{L - L_0}{L_0} where b and L_0 are positive constants, calculate the work done over a Carnot cycle by a wire with this equation of state.

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I already have the work done over the isoterm curves. But when I try to calculate the work on the adiabatic processes I just get stuck over and over again.

The Attempt at a Solution



I use the first law of thermodynamics

du = \delta Q + \delta W

also we know that the work for this system is the following

\delta W = - \tau dL

and in a book of basic thermodynamics I have found that

dT = -\frac{T}{c_\tau}\left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial T} \right)_\tau d\tau

Any ideas?
 
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Hi Uriel. Welcome to PF!

Uriel said:
I already have the work done over the isoterm curves. But when I try to calculate the work on the adiabatic processes I just get stuck over and over again.
Can you give more details about what you've tried?

Uriel said:
also we know that the work for this system is the following

\delta W = - \tau dL
What is ##\tau##?
 
DrClaude said:
Hi Uriel. Welcome to PF!


Can you give more details about what you've tried?


What is ##\tau##?

\tau is the \sigma in the equation of state, it's linear tension, I change the name of the variable because \sigma might be confused by strains and that's not the case, I'm sorry for that.

Using the first law on the isotherm process we got that the internal energy doesn't change, therefore

d u = 0

and using this \delta W = -\delta Q

now we know that the work is computed with the integral \delta W = - \int \tau dL
so it's really simple to calculate, for the case on the two isotherm processes.

My problem arises when I try to calculate the work performed over the adiabatic cycles. I have two options, integrate over the path of the adiabatic curve from one state to the other, or I need to know the internal energy of the system and using that plug in the temperature of each state and calculate the difference.
That is the awful part; given the equation dT = - \frac{T}{c_\tau} \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial T} \right)_\tau d \tau

I need to know L, but this is easy, L = \frac{L_0 T}{b}\tau + L_0,

next I calculate the partial derivative of L with respect to T leaving \tau constant.

So \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial T} \right)_\tau = \frac{L_0 \tau}{b}

then dT = - \frac{T}{c_\tau} \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial T} \right)_\tau d \tau = - \frac{T}{c_\tau} \frac{L_0 \tau}{b} d \tau.

Reordering the terms in the differential equation we get

\frac{dT}{T} = - \frac{L_0}{c_\tau b} \tau d \tau

solving the differential equation we get this

ln \left( \frac{T_f}{T_i} \right) = - \frac{L_0}{c_\tau b} \left( \frac{\tau_f^2 - \tau_i^2}{2} \right)

And that's all I got, I don't have the slightest idea what to do next.
 
In which book did you see that problem?
 
Miroslava said:
In which book did you see that problem?

I'm not sure it was a book problem. I think the professor just made it up, but she was very fond of the book of Callen.
 

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