Work Done by Air pressure difference

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The problem involves calculating the work done by air during an isothermal expansion followed by a constant pressure cooling process. The air initially occupies a volume of 0.14 m³ at a gauge pressure of 103.0 kPa and is expanded to a pressure of 101.3 kPa before being cooled back to its initial volume.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the work equation for isothermal processes and question the calculations leading to a discrepancy between their results and the book's answer. Some participants suggest that the work done during the constant pressure cooling phase may need to be considered.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the work done during the process, with some suggesting that the total work must account for both the isothermal expansion and the constant pressure cooling. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final value, but productive discussion is ongoing.

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There is a noted discrepancy between the calculated work and the answer provided in the textbook, leading to questions about the assumptions made regarding the processes involved.

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Work Done by Air "pressure difference"

Homework Statement


Air that initially occupies .14 m^3 at a gauge pressure of 103.0kPa is expanded isothermally to a pressure to 101.3 kPa and then cooled at constant pressure until it reaches its initial volume. Compute the work done by the air. (Gauge pressure is the difference between the actual pressure and atmospheric pressure.)

Homework Equations


W = V2 \int V1 (pdv)

pV=nRT

The Attempt at a Solution


The professor did some simplification on the board and it came down to nRT(ln)(V_2 / V_1)

then I solved for V2 and V1 V=(nRT)/p "the nRT cancels" and then I have this equation

piV1(ln)(pi / pf) = .239 kJ =Work

The answer in the back of the book is 5.6 kJ, so if someone could help me out where I'm going wrong this would be highly appreciated.
 
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just.karl said:

The Attempt at a Solution


The professor did some simplification on the board and it came down to nRT(ln)(V_2 / V_1)

then I solved for V2 and V1 V=(nRT)/p "the nRT cancels" and then I have this equation

piV1(ln)(pi / pf) = .239 kJ =Work

The answer in the back of the book is 5.6 kJ, so if someone could help me out where I'm going wrong this would be highly appreciated.
239 J is the work done during isothermal expansion. I would think we need to account for the constant pressure compression as well.

(Even so, 5.6 kJ doesn't look right to me.)
 


For a polytropic process of an ideal gas with isothermal expansion (n=1) you can also use the expression for work=P1*V1*ln(V2/V1) which gives a similar result of 284.2 J However that is the total area under the curve from pt 1 to pt 2. There is also the area (work) under the curve when the air is cooled at constant pressure to the initial volume that must be subtracted from the above work to get the area of the complete process. If that is the case it get a very small total work of about 1.4 J. In any case 5.6 KJ seems way to large.
 

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