Work-Energy for Bead on Rotating Stick

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The problem involves verifying the Work-Energy Theorem \( W = \Delta K \) for a bead of mass \( m \) constrained to move on a frictionless stick that rotates with a constant angular velocity \( \omega \). The discussion centers around the application of polar coordinates to analyze the forces and energy changes involved in the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of polar coordinates to express velocity and the implications of the forces acting on the bead. There is an exploration of the work done by the stick on the bead and how it relates to the kinetic energy calculated. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about initial conditions and the interpretation of forces, particularly the distinction between real and fictitious forces.

Discussion Status

The discussion has progressed with participants identifying errors in calculations and clarifying concepts related to the forces involved. Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between work done and changes in kinetic energy, while others have noted that the initial assumptions may need reconsideration. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas without a definitive consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the assumptions about the initial radial velocity and the nature of the forces acting on the bead. The constraints of the problem and the definitions of the forces involved are under scrutiny, which may affect the interpretation of the results.

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Homework Statement


Verify the Work-Energy Theorem W=ΔK for a bead of masd m constrained to lie on a frictionless stick rotating with angular velocity ω in a plane.

Homework Equations


W =∫ F⋅dr, K =m/2 v^2 [/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


Adopting polar coordinates the velocity is v = r' +r*Θ'. Finding the radial and tangential accelerations we may argue that since the stick is frictionless on the tangential force of the stick on the bead may do work. As the angular velocity was assumed constant this works out to just be the Coriolis force, 2mωr'. The line integral of this from the initial position, r_0, of the bead to a final r gives the work done as mr^2 *ω^2 -mr_0^2 *ω^2.
But the Kinetic energy is K= m/2 (r' ^2 +r^2 *ω^2), justified by the use of polar coordinates.
The 'non-conservation' of energy makes sense since work must be done to keep the rod spinning at a constant rate but if I take ΔK I don't recover W. Instead I get m/2 r'^2 +m/2 r^2 * ω^2 - m/2 r_0 ^2 *ω^2.
Where do I have an error?
 
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The Attempt at a Solution


Adopting polar coordinates the velocity is v = r' +r*Θ'.
OK. I assume you mean this to be a vector equation in which the first term on the right is in the radial direction and the second term is in the tangential direction (i.e., direction of increasing θ).
Finding the radial and tangential accelerations we may argue that since the stick is frictionless on the tangential force of the stick on the bead may do work.
Yes, the stick exerts a force on the bead that is perpendicular to the stick (i.e., in the tangential direction).
As the angular velocity was assumed constant this works out to just be the Coriolis force, 2mωr'.
Most people would not call this the Coriolis force. The Coriolis force is a fictitious force that occurs in the frame rotating with the stick. In the lab frame, there is only the real force that the stick exerts on the bead. But, you are right that the magnitude of this force is 2mωr'.
The line integral of this from the initial position, r_0, of the bead to a final r gives the work done as mr^2 *ω^2 -mr_0^2 *ω^2.
Yes, that looks right.
But the Kinetic energy is K= m/2 (r' ^2 +r^2 *ω^2), justified by the use of polar coordinates.
This also looks correct.
... but if I take ΔK I don't recover W. Instead I get m/2 r'^2 +m/2 r^2 * ω^2 - m/2 r_0 ^2 *ω^2.
Where do I have an error?
(Looks like you're assuming the initial radial velocity is zero. But, you don't need to make this assumption.)
You need to show that there is no contradiction between your two results for ΔK. They only appear to be different.
 
I found my error when I went back and explicitly computed the line integral for the work done by the constraining force. The integrand is proportional to 2*sinh(ωt)*cosh(ωt), which equals sinh(2*ωt), which integrates to cosh(2*ωt)/2ω. So I recover the factor of 1/2 I was missing. For the kinetic energy an explicit expression is (m*ω^2 *r_0^2)/2 *(cosh(2*ωt) so the change in the kinetic energy is indeed equal to the work done by the constraint.
 
OK, good. You don't actually need to solve for r(t) explicitly in terms of exponential (or hyperbolic) functions to get the result. But, it's certainly OK if you want to.
 

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