Work, Gravitational Potential and Kinetic Energy, Spacecraft

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The discussion revolves around a Physics 12 problem involving the concepts of work, gravitational potential energy, and kinetic energy as a spacecraft descends towards Mars. The original poster presents a scenario where the spacecraft's energies change during braking, leading to questions about the relationship between these energy types and the work done by the rocket engine.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the relationship between changes in kinetic and potential energy, questioning the implications of negative potential energy and how braking affects these energies. Other participants discuss the conservation of total energy and the effects of braking on kinetic energy.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some providing clarifications on how potential energy relates to distance from the planet and how braking influences kinetic energy. There is recognition of the complexities involved, and while some understanding is emerging, explicit consensus on the interpretation of the energies is still developing.

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There is a mention of the original poster's confusion regarding the signs of energy values and their physical implications, as well as the need for clarity on the effects of braking on the spacecraft's energy states.

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Hi guys. I'm new to this forum so I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place or correctly, but I was totally stumped on a Physics 12 question as I was studying for my exam.

The question is:
An explorer spacecraft is descending towards Mars using a rocket engine for braking. The spacecraft has Ep = -2.8x10^10 J and Ek = 3.0x10^9 J at its initial position. Some time later the spacecraft has Ep = -3.4x10^10 J and Ek =1.0x10^9 J. How much work did the rocket engine do in braking the spacecraft ?

At first, I thought it was work done = change in kinetic energy, but that's not the answer. Then I realized that the change in kinetic energy and the change in potential energy were not the same, and that's where I was completely lost. What does it mean when its gravitational potential energy increases in the negative? Is it moving closer or farther from the planet? And how would I go about solving this question?

I tried (although I don't know why): Wbrakes - [(-3.4x10^10) - (-2.8x10^10)] = -2.0x10^9; Wbrakes = -2.0x10^9 - 6.0x10^9 = -8.0x10^9 J which is the correct answer. I just don't know if that's the correct solution and if it is, why.
 
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Without any breaking, the rocket's total energy (sum of potential +kinetic) would remain the same. With braking applied, as the rocket approaches the planet and its kinetic energy becomes more negative, normally the change is all converted to kinetic energy to keep the total energy constant. Braking keeps this from occurring, and with sufficient braking, you could even get the rocket to land on the planet rather than crashing into it at high speed.
 
If the potential energy's magnitude is increasing, does it mean the spacecraft is getting closer or farther from Mars? Why does the braking affect the potential energy?
 
A more negative potential energy (larger in magnitude) means it is getting closer to the planet. Potential energy changes with distance ## r ## from the center of the planet) by the formula ## E_p=U=-GMm/r ## where ## G ## is the gravitational constant ## M ## is the mass of the planet and ## m ## is the mass of the spacecraft . You can see as ## r ## gets smaller that ## U ## becomes more negative (larger in magnitude). ## \\ ## Editing... Meanwhile the braking (retro-rocket) affects the kinetic energy and thereby the total energy. The braking does not affect the potential energy=that is simply a function of the location (## r ##). Again, without braking the total energy stays the same so that if the potential energy becomes large and negative, that means without braking that the kinetic energy will become large and positive. The braking lowers the energy and lowers the total energy as well as the kinetic energy. Of course if you fired the same (retro-)rocket in the other direction, you could actually increase the total energy and increase the kinetic energy tremendously.
 
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Okay I think I get it. To recap simply: the approaching of the spacecraft to the planet is increasing the magnitude of the potential energy, but it's negatively, meaning that the kinetic energy is increasing positively. So the braking is not only negating that gain in kinetic energy, but it's also making it lose an additional 2.0x10^9J of kinetic energy. So in total, the braking is negating 2.0x10^9J + the 8.0x10^9J of kinetic energy gained from approaching the planet (gained due to acceleration from gravity).

Does that sound right?

Thanks for your help!
 
ashyyamora said:
Okay I think I get it. To recap simply: the approaching of the spacecraft to the planet is increasing the magnitude of the potential energy, but it's negatively, meaning that the kinetic energy is increasing positively. So the braking is not only negating that gain in kinetic energy, but it's also making it lose an additional 2.0x10^9J of kinetic energy. So in total, the braking is negating 2.0x10^9J + the 8.0x10^9J of kinetic energy gained from approaching the planet (gained due to acceleration from gravity).

Does that sound right?

Thanks for your help!
The 8.0 you mentioned should be a 6.0 ,## (3.4-2.8) \cdot 10^{10}=6.0 \,\cdot 10^9 ##, so that ## 2.0 \,\cdot 10^9 J+6.0 \cdot \,10^9 J=8.0 \cdot \, 10^9 J ##.
 
Oh yeah that's right. My bad. Thanks!
 
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