Work - Line Integral Homework: Calculating Work along C1 & C2 Curve

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The problem involves calculating the work done by a force field F(x,y) along two curves, C1 and C2, defined for a specific range of y-values. The curves are given by the equations C1 (x=-y^2+3y) and C2 (x=0), and the discussion centers on the implications of traversing these curves in a retrograde direction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss whether returning to the starting point affects the work done, questioning the conditions under which work is zero. There are suggestions to parametrize the curves and evaluate the line integral for each segment. Some participants express uncertainty about how to approach the calculation for curve C2 specifically.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to show work and organize the approach for curve C2. There is a recognition that the force may be conservative, prompting further inquiry into how to demonstrate this.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of showing work as part of the homework guidelines, and there is a focus on the need for clear parametrization of the curves involved in the calculation.

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Homework Statement



I have exam tomorrow and there's a problem I don't know how to do.

Consider the curve C1 (x=-y^2+3y) and C2 (x=0), both defined for y[itex]\in[/itex][0,3].
Calculate the work done by F(x,y)=(x,y^2) along the curve C=C1UC2 (retrograde direction).


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The solution given is 0. I really don't know how to get it. Thanks!
 
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When you traverse the curve do you wind up at your staring point? if so then the work is zero by definition, right?
 
jedishrfu said:
When you traverse the curve do you wind up at your staring point? if so then the work is zero by definition, right?

This is not true in general. (If you have a conservative force then it is true; this force happens to be conservative, but how would you show that?)

You could parametrize the two separate trajectories as some r(t)=(x(t),y(t))

Then use ∫f(r(t))*r'(t)dt on each curve.
 
How do I do it for C2? I think this is the biggest problem for me.
 
You need to show your work before you can receive help here.
 
portuguese said:
How do I do it for C2? I think this is the biggest problem for me.

Hint: Organize your work, write C2:, and then write notes for that region, like r(t)=(0,y(t)), F(x,y)=F(0,y)=... You'll have to decide on the rest of the parametrization for r(t) is, that is, what do you think y(t) should be. Decide on a and b in t=a...b. Et cetera; good luck!
 
jedishrfu said:
When you traverse the curve do you wind up at your staring point? if so then the work is zero by definition, right?

algebrat said:
This is not true in general. (If you have a conservative force then it is true; this force happens to be conservative, but how would you show that?)
As algebrat suggests, following on what jedishrfu said (hopefully jedishrfu had already noted, but forgot to say, that the force is conservative) the simplest way to do that is show that the force is conservative. portugese, do you know how to do that?
 

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