Work on a proton in uniform magnetic field

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The problem involves a proton beam moving in a uniform magnetic field, with a focus on calculating the work done by the magnetic field during one complete orbit. The magnetic field strength is given as 0.1 T, and the current of the proton beam is 1.5 mA, with the motion described as circular and perpendicular to the magnetic field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between magnetic force and work, questioning the direction of the force relative to the motion of the protons. There are attempts to calculate work using kinetic energy and centripetal force equations, but results vary significantly from the provided answer choices.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to calculate the work done, with some expressing confusion over the results and questioning the validity of the answer choices. There is a recognition that the magnetic force does not do work due to its perpendicular nature to the direction of motion, leading to a realization that the work done may indeed be zero.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention potential issues with the answer choices provided, suggesting that there may be a typo in one of the options. The discussion also highlights the importance of recalling concepts related to work and force directions from previous lessons.

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Homework Statement


A magnetic field of 0.1 T forces a proton beam
of 1.5 mA to move in a circle of radius 0.1 m.
The plane of the circle is perpendicular to the
magnetic field.
Of the following, which is the best estimate
of the work W done by the magnetic field on
the protons during one complete orbit of the
circle?
1. W = 0 J
2. W = 10^22 J
3. W = 10^−22 J
4. W = 10^20 J
5. W = 10^−5 J


Homework Equations


F = qVB = ILB
F = mv^2 / r
C = 2 pi*r

The Attempt at a Solution


Since work is energy, I used the formula for kinetic energy...

W = 1/2 mv^2

Fcentripetal = Fmagnetic
mv^2 /r = qvB
v = rqB / m

W = 1/2 m (rqB / m)^2
W = 1/2 (1.6725 x 10^-27) * (0.1 * 1.602 x 10^-19 * 0.1 / 1.6725 x 10^-27) ^2
W = 7.67235874 x 10^-16 J

This isn't close to any of the answer choices. Can someone help me?
 
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The Force supplied by the B field is

F = qV X B (the cross product)

What is the direction of this force relative to the direction of the motion of the particle?

Isn't Work

W = F ⋅ D (the dot product)
 
I tried a multitude of ways, including that, and the order was between -13 and -17. The closest answer to that is choice 3, but that's wrong.

F = qvB
W = qvB * 2 pi r

(in part 2, I solved for v and found that it's approximately 10^6)

W = (1.602 x 10-19) (10^6) (0.1) * 2 pi * 0.1
W = 1.00656629 x 10^-14 J

Again, nothing close.
 
OR, does anyone think choice 5 is a typo, and it meant to be 10^-15?

My online system sometimes has problems/answers like that unfortunately...
 
What angle is the B field and the Force making with the direction of motion?
 
Everything is at a right angle.
 
So how much work does a force at right angle do again?

Work is F⋅D which is the dot product.

So what is the dot product of the Force with the direction of motion?
 
Ohhh, so it's zero. Gah, I was supposed to remember that detail from that chapter we learned months ago.

Thanks again for all your help, LowlyPion.
 

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