Worried about organic chemistry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around concerns regarding the transition to organic chemistry as a first chemistry course for someone with no prior chemistry background. Participants explore the nature of organic chemistry, its perceived difficulty, and the appropriateness of taking it without foundational knowledge.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses anxiety about starting organic chemistry without any prior chemistry experience, noting that others have described it as a challenging field.
  • Another participant argues that organic chemistry is not something to worry about, comparing it to memorizing mathematical identities and emphasizing its importance in the field of chemistry.
  • A different participant agrees with the previous viewpoint but adds that organic chemistry is more visual than mathematical, questioning the decision to take it as a first course.
  • Concerns are raised about the unusual nature of taking organic chemistry first, with a suggestion to consult an adviser for clarification on course prerequisites.
  • One participant provides information about the chemistry course offerings at their school, indicating the existence of both organic and physical chemistry courses, and inquires about the appropriateness of starting organic chemistry textbooks early.
  • Another participant warns that without prior chemistry education, the transition to college-level chemistry could be difficult, contrasting it with other subjects like accounting that may not assume prior knowledge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness and difficulty of taking organic chemistry as a first course. Some believe it is manageable, while others caution that lacking a foundational background may lead to challenges.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the course structure and prerequisites at the university in question, as well as varying opinions on the nature of organic chemistry compared to other subjects.

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Hi, I've been meaning to switch over to chemistry ( in hopes of doing forensic work in the future ) from math. I have no chemistry background, so I have been self-studying over the summer.. However, the first chemistry course offered at my university is an organic chemistry course. People tell me that this is a tough field in chemistry, and it will not be a general chemistry course. Should I be worried :(
 
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Organic is nothing to worry about. It's very similar to memorizing a list of mathematical identities whose chemistry analog is called a mechanism. Given certain conditions, atoms will move around in a certain way. It's a boring course, but very important for chemistry.
 
Noxide said:
Organic is nothing to worry about. It's very similar to memorizing a list of mathematical identities whose chemistry analog is called a mechanism. Given certain conditions, atoms will move around in a certain way. It's a boring course, but very important for chemistry.

I agree with this...except the boring part :-p.

Certainly it's not nearly as mathematical as physics or even general chemistry. It's far more visual, IMO.

I've never heard of organic as a first course, that's unusual. How many labs per week are there?
 
Organic as as your first chemistry course sounds strange. Since you have no prior chemistry background, I'd recommend you check with your adviser or the chemistry department for clarification. A full year of general chemistry is generally given before organic, but your school might just have different naming so who knows.
 
actually, there are two streams of chemistry you can take in this school:

http://www.artsandscience.utoronto.ca/ofr/calendar/crs_chm.htm

There's CHM 138 (Organic ) and then CHM 139 (Physical ) [each one semester long ]

or just one full year course CHM 151, which looks like a general chemistry course. CHM 151 is supposed to be for specialists though (the term is analogous to "honours" )

If I were to pick up some chemistry textbooks for study, would it be wrong to start reading some organic chemistry right away too?
thanks for all the replies :)
 
Do you mean you did not learn chemistry in high school? Then it will be very painful as chemistry is a "hard" subject IMO.
Certainly one can enroll in accounting courses even though they did not learn it in high school as the accounting courses in college teach you first the basic knowledge. However Chemistry courses in college mostly assume you know the basic and teach you difficult knowledge at the start.
 

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