Writing 3rd Order Tensor Symmetric Part in Tensor Form

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of the symmetric part of a third order tensor in tensor notation. Participants explore the definitions and properties of symmetry in the context of third order tensors.

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  • One participant requests the symmetric part of a third order tensor in tensor form.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "symmetric" for third order tensors, noting that symmetry can take various forms depending on the indices involved.
  • A participant provides the formula for the anti-symmetric part of a third order tensor and seeks the corresponding symmetric part.
  • There is a suggestion that the symmetric part is similar to the anti-symmetric part but with all signs positive, implying a straightforward verification of its symmetry.

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The discussion includes multiple perspectives on the definition of symmetry for third order tensors, and no consensus is reached on the exact formulation of the symmetric part.

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Participants have not fully defined the conditions or assumptions under which the symmetry is being discussed, and the mathematical steps for deriving the symmetric part remain unresolved.

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Can some one write for me the Symmetric part of a third order tensor (as a tensor form)

Thanks .
 
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What do you mean by "symmetric" for a third order tensor? A second order tensor would be represented (in a given coordinate system) by a 3 by 3 matrix (or 4 by 4 if you are counting time) and it would be symmetric if and only if [itex]A_{ij}= A_{ji}[/itex]. But a third order tensor would be represented by a "3 by 3 by 3" array, [itex]A_{ijk}[/itex]. And then we can have several different kinds of "symmetry":
[itex]A_{ijk}= A_{jik}[/itex], or [itex]A_{ijk}= A_{ikj}[/itex], or [itex]A_{ijk}= A_{kji}[/itex]. You could even have a kind of symmetry by "rotating" the indices: [itex]A_{ijk}= A_{kij}= A_{jki}[/itex].
 
Ok i will explain .
[tex]T_{[abc]} = \frac{1}{6} \big( T_{abc} -T_{acb} + T_{bca} -T_{bac} + T_{cab} -T_{cba} \big)[/tex]
this is the anti-symmetric part of a third order tensor, i want to write me the symmetric part of a third order tensor
 
[itex]T_{[abc]} = \frac{1}{6} \big( T_{abc} -T_{acb} + T_{bca} -T_{bac} + T_{cab} -T_{cba} \big)[/itex]
 
The symmetric part is like the antisymmetric part, but with all signs +. Its symmetry should be easy to verify.
 
Thanks you very much . Lperrich.
 

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