Writing a system of conic equations

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The discussion revolves around writing a system of conic equations in matrix form, specifically focusing on quadratic equations involving variables x and y. Participants explore how to express these equations using matrix notation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants attempt to express a system of quadratic equations in matrix form, discussing various representations and transformations. Questions arise about the rationale behind certain matrix structures and the overall goal of the transformation.

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Several participants have offered different matrix formulations for the quadratic terms, while others seek clarification on the purpose of these representations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to adapt a single quadratic form to accommodate a system of equations without reaching a definitive consensus.

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Participants are navigating the challenge of representing quadratic equations as vectorial equations, questioning the assumptions behind linear versus quadratic systems. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the appropriate mathematical framework.

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Homework Statement


Given a system like: \\a x^2 + b xy + c y^2 + d x + e y + f = 0 \\g x^2 + h xy + i y^2 + j x + k y + l = 0 How write it in matrix form?

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\begin{matrix} a x^2 + b xy + c y^2\\ g x^2 + h xy + i y^2\\ \end{matrix} + \begin{bmatrix} d & e\\ j & k\\ \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix} x\\ y\\ \end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix} f\\ l\\ \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 0\\ 0\\ \end{bmatrix}
I don't know how!
 
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A single set of quadratic terms can be written
ax^2+ bxy+ cy^2= \begin{bmatrix}x & y \end{bmatrix}a & b/2 \\ b/2 & c \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \end{bmatrix}

You should be able to tweak that to give two.
 
This works:

<br /> \begin{bmatrix} x &amp; y &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; 0 &amp; x &amp; y \end{bmatrix}<br /> \begin{bmatrix} a &amp; b/2 \\ b/2 &amp; c \\ g &amp; h/2 \\ h/2 &amp; i \end{bmatrix}<br /> \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} +<br /> \begin{bmatrix} d &amp; e \\ j &amp; k \end{bmatrix}<br /> \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix}+<br /> \begin{bmatrix} f\\ l \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 0\\ 0 \end{bmatrix}

But why? What are you trying to do, Jhenrique?
 
HallsofIvy said:
A single set of quadratic terms can be written
ax^2+ bxy+ cy^2= \begin{bmatrix}x &amp; y \end{bmatrix}a &amp; b/2 \\ b/2 &amp; c \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \end{bmatrix}

You should be able to tweak that to give two.

I can't see!

D H said:
This works:

<br /> \begin{bmatrix} x &amp; y &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; 0 &amp; x &amp; y \end{bmatrix}<br /> \begin{bmatrix} a &amp; b/2 \\ b/2 &amp; c \\ g &amp; h/2 \\ h/2 &amp; i \end{bmatrix}<br /> \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} +<br /> \begin{bmatrix} d &amp; e \\ j &amp; k \end{bmatrix}<br /> \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix}+<br /> \begin{bmatrix} f\\ l \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 0\\ 0 \end{bmatrix}

But why? What are you trying to do, Jhenrique?

I'm trying to write a vectorial equation that represents a system not of linear equations but yes of quadratic equations!

If a linear equation (or a affim equation) can be represent a linear system, so, a quadratic equation can represent a quadratic system.
 
I think Halls means this:

HallsofIvy said:
A single set of quadratic terms can be written
ax^2+ bxy+ cy^2= \begin{bmatrix}x &amp; y \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}a &amp; b/2\\b/2 &amp; c \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \end{bmatrix}

You should be able to tweak that to give two.
 

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