X-ray production - maximum pressure

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The discussion centers on the maximum pressure at which X-rays can be produced in a Crookes tube or cathode ray tube, specifically addressing concerns about operating at medium vacuum levels around 5 Pa with high voltage discharges (60 kV+). It is established that the electron mean free path (mfp) is critical in determining X-ray production, with a calculated mfp of 7 mm at 5 Pa. The conversation concludes that if the gap between cathode and anode exceeds the mfp significantly, the risk of X-ray generation is minimized, although caution is advised due to potential electron acceleration leading to keV energies.

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  • Understanding of Crookes tubes and cathode ray tubes
  • Knowledge of electron mean free path calculations
  • Familiarity with vacuum pressure measurements (Pa)
  • Basic principles of X-ray production and shielding techniques
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  • Research electron mean free path calculations in various gases
  • Learn about X-ray shielding materials and their effectiveness
  • Investigate the effects of pressure on plasma color and emission spectra
  • Explore safe operating procedures for high voltage vacuum systems
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This discussion is beneficial for physicists, electrical engineers, and hobbyists working with vacuum systems and high-voltage equipment, particularly those interested in X-ray production and safety measures in experimental setups.

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What is the maximum practical or theoretical pressure at which x-rays can be produced, as in a Crookes tube or cathode ray tube? I know Crookes tubes operate at 0.1pa and lower, but I need to know if I am at risk of producing x-rays with high voltage (60kv+) discharges at medium vacuum, as low as 5pa.

Does the electron mean free path have anything to do with this? Maybe when the e-mean free path equals or exceeds the gap between cathode and anode, x-rays can be produced by electrons traveling across without being slowed by gas molecules? How do I calculate the electron mean free path in air at 5pa and 298k?

In the vacuum chamber at maximum vacuum, I can still see a slight movement of tissue paper placed in front of a computer fan, which makes me think there must still be too much air to allow x-rays to be produced, but I want to make sure before it's too late!
 
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The free path for atoms at room temperature is roughly ##\lambda \approx 1cm\frac{1 Pa}{p}## with pressure p, I wouldn't expect the value for electrons to be completely different. It is an expectation value, so some electrons will have longer acceleration distances. A longer distance between the electrodes can help.
 
Thanks for the reply. So basically, if the gap from cathode to anode is much larger than the mfp then there should be little potential to produce x-ray photons? That makes sense because the mfp of air at 5pa(my setup) is 7mm, and at 0.1pa as in a Crookes tube, it approaches 1 meter, that would make a big difference.
 
Well, "much larger" - if the total gap is 70 centimeters, you still have 600 V per calculated mean free path, so some electrons will gain keVs of energy. To make it worse, I would expect electrons (especially accelerated ones) to have a longer mean free path than atoms. A factor of 4 (suggested by geometry - electrons are smaller than atoms) would be sufficient to get many electrons up to 10 keV. You are certainly still in a pressure range where a more detailed analysis (or sufficient shielding) is necessary.
 
I assume it would be safe if I maintain a much higher pressure, like keeping a container of water under the vacuum so that the pressure cannot drop below 600pa? I will use lead shielding if/when I remove the water to allow much lower pressures.Hopefully this is not too off-topic, but why does the color of the plasma change as the pressure drops? (Because I am using A/C, there are no striations, dark spaces, etc in the discharge.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kzks9caltx0rfs1/plasme discharge mason jar high pressure - pink.png?dl=0

It looks like this, pink mostly from nitrogen's emission lines, but then as the vacuum gets very pure, it turns ghostly white like this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g3kz9etdgwq62tl/plasme discharge mason jar low pressure - white.png.png?dl=0

I know this is from lower pressure, but if the same gas is present, shouldn't the emission spectrum and color be the same? Why does it change color?

(Sorry I could not get the images to show up in the post directly)
 
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