Why Does X-Ray Scatter at Angle 2dsinθ?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the scattering of X-rays and the reasoning behind the path difference described by the formula 2dsinθ. Participants explore the principles of interference theory, particularly in the context of X-ray diffraction and scattering angles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the path difference of 2dsinθ and whether other scattering angles could exist.
  • Another participant explains that the interference pattern created by a large number of sources in phase leads to specific angles for maxima, as determined by the wavelength and spacing, reinforcing the 2dsinθ relationship.
  • It is noted that while atoms scatter at all angles, the intensity of the scattered X-rays has maxima at specific angles, and the diagram used is more of an aid for finding Bragg's formula rather than a complete depiction of the scattering process.
  • A reference to Laue's theory of X-ray diffraction is made, suggesting it does not assume a specific scattering direction initially and applies to various scattering processes.
  • Participants mention that similar calculations are applicable in other fields, such as radio engineering and ultrasound technology.
  • One participant reiterates the importance of phase coherence among scatterers to achieve the desired scattering direction, emphasizing the need for a steady phase tilt across the row of scatterers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of scattering angles and the completeness of the models discussed. There is no consensus on the necessity of specific scattering angles or the sufficiency of the explanations provided.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on specific definitions of scattering angles and the assumptions made regarding phase coherence among scatterers. The discussion does not resolve these aspects.

anachin6000
Messages
50
Reaction score
3
This question is as dumb and simple as it can be: Why is the path difference 2dsinθ? Or better said: Why x-ray scatters like in the image? (Couldn't there be another scattering angle for both atoms other than θ?)
640px-Bragg_diffraction_2.svg.png
 
Science news on Phys.org
Not dumb, if you are relatively new to interference theory. Start with a large number of sources in a regular row (2 - Young's Slits - would be a way into the problem) and feed them in phase,. They will create an interference pattern with the angles of the maxima set by the wavelength and the spacing (the 2dsinθ formula). If you use an incident beam to illuminate a similarly spaced row of scattering points to try to get the same result, the only incident direction that will cause the scatterers to have a phase that's a whole number of wavelengths (equivalent to being in-phase), will be when the angle of arrival is a mirror image of the diffraction maximum. No other condition will provide the appropriate phasing of the scatterers. This is just like a mirror reflection but only for the correct angle I and R.. The deeper and wider the crystal, the sharper and better defined are the maxima. If the angle of incidence is wrong, then the scatterers do not add up coherently.
They glibly refer to the Bragg Reflection Formula but they never seemed to put it in the above way, when I learned about it. (Perhaps I just wasn't listening!)
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: anachin6000
The atoms scatter at all angles, sure.
But the scattered intensity has maxima (peaks) just for some specific angles. This diagram is drawn to calculate the angles for these peaks.
It is more like an aid to finding Bragg's formula than a depiction of what really happens. But it gives the same answer as the more complete theory so it is still used.
You can look up "Laue's theory of x-ray diffraction" for a model which does not assume any specific scattering direction in the beginning. The result applies not only to x-ray diffraction but to other scattering processes as well.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: anachin6000
Lucky that Waves of all wavelengths work much the same. Radio engineers use similar calculations.
 
And people into ultrasound array transducers too.
 
sophiecentaur said:
Not dumb, if you are relatively new to interference theory. Start with a large number of sources in a regular row (2 - Young's Slits - would be a way into the problem) and feed them in phase,. They will create an interference pattern with the angles of the maxima set by the wavelength and the spacing (the 2dsinθ formula). If you use an incident beam to illuminate a similarly spaced row of scattering points to try to get the same result, the only incident direction that will cause the scatterers to have a phase that's a whole number of wavelengths (equivalent to being in-phase), will be when the angle of arrival is a mirror image of the diffraction maximum. No other condition will provide the appropriate phasing of the scatterers. This is just like a mirror reflection but only for the correct angle I and R.. The deeper and wider the crystal, the sharper and better defined are the maxima. If the angle of incidence is wrong, then the scatterers do not add up coherently.
They glibly refer to the Bragg Reflection Formula but they never seemed to put it in the above way, when I learned about it. (Perhaps I just wasn't listening!)

One stupid omission was to point out that, to get the beam pointing in a particular direction, there has to be a steady phase 'tilt' across the row and not have them cophased. Everything else follows.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 54 ·
2
Replies
54
Views
11K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K