X_iu^i: Physical Significance & Conservation

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The discussion centers on the physical significance of the scalar quantity X_iu^i, where X^i is a Killing vector and u^i is a tangent vector of a geodesic. Participants explore its conservation along geodesics and its implications in the context of general relativity and the behavior of freely falling particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the scalar quantity X_iu^i is constant along the geodesic, suggesting a relationship to conservation laws in physics.
  • Another participant elaborates on the mathematical proof of the constancy, indicating that the term U^{j}U^{i}\nabla_{j}X_{i} vanishes due to the symmetry properties of the tensors involved, and that X_{i}U^{j}\nabla_{j}U^{i} vanishes because U is the tangent vector to a geodesic.
  • The second participant connects the discussion to the worldline of a freely falling massive particle, stating that the condition for the worldline being a geodesic can be expressed in terms of the particle's 4-momentum.
  • It is mentioned that if X^{i} is a Killing field, then X_{i}P^{i} will be constant along the geodesic, indicating a geometric expression of local conservation of momentum components.
  • Participants also reference the relationship between Killing fields and differentiable symmetries of spacetime, noting that the Lie derivative of the metric tensor along the Killing field vanishes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a general agreement on the constancy of the scalar quantity along geodesics and its implications for conservation laws, but the discussion remains open to further exploration of its physical significance and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves complex mathematical concepts and assumptions regarding the properties of Killing vectors and geodesics, which may not be fully resolved or universally accepted among participants.

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Let us denote by [itex]X^i=(1,\vec 0)[/itex] the Killing vector and by [itex]u^i(s)[/itex] a tangent vector of a geodesic, where [itex]s[/itex] is some affine parameter.

What physical significance do the scalar quantity [itex]X_iu^i[/itex] and its conservation hold? If any...? I have seen this in may books and exam questions. I wonder what it means...
 
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Hi there! The point is that the scalar quantity you formed is constant along the geodesic! Using your notation, [itex]\triangledown _{U}(X_{i}U^{i}) = U^{j}\triangledown _{j}(X_{i}U^{i}) = U^{j}U^{i}\triangledown _{j}X_{i} + X_{i}U^{j}\triangledown _{j}U^{i}[/itex]. Note that [itex]U^{j}U^{i}\triangledown _{j}X_{i}[/itex] vanishes because [itex]U^{j}U^{i}[/itex] is symmetric in the two indices whereas, by definition of a killing vector, [itex]\triangledown _{j}X_{i}[/itex] is anti - symmetric in the two indices and it is very easy to show that the contraction of a symmetric tensor with an anti - symmetric one will vanish. The second term [itex]X_{i}U^{j}\triangledown _{j}U^{i}[/itex] vanishes simply because U is the tangent vector to a geodesic thus we have that [itex]\triangledown _{U}(X_{i}U^{i}) = 0[/itex]. In particular note that if this geodesic is the worldline of some freely falling massive particle then its 4 - velocity is the tangent vector to the worldline and we can re - express the condition for the worldline being a geodesic in terms of the 4 - momentum of the particle (and for photons just define the geodesic condition like this) and we can have that if [itex]X^{i}[/itex] is a killing field on the space - time then [itex]X_{i}P^{i}[/itex] will be constant along this geodesic. It is a geometric way of expressing local conservation of components of the 4 - momentum; these killing fields are differentiable symmetries of the space - time and you might be able to see that more clearly by the fact that the lie derivative of the metric tensor along the killing field will vanish.
 
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