(x_n)->0 and lim(x_n)sin(1/(x_n))=0 help?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Unassuming
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving that the limit of the product of a sequence \(x_n\) approaching 0 and \(\sin(1/x_n)\) also approaches 0. The sequence \(x_n\) is defined to be non-zero for all \(n\) and converges to 0.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of \(x_n \rightarrow 0\) and question the behavior of \(\sin(1/x_n)\) as \(n\) increases. Some suggest using the squeeze theorem to establish the limit, while others raise concerns about the convergence of \(\sin(1/x_n)\) itself.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered hints and guidance on applying the squeeze theorem, discussing the necessary inequalities to establish the limit. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding the sequence and the behavior of the sine function.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the requirement to use the squeeze theorem and the importance of considering absolute values due to the potential for negative values in the sequence \(x_n\). There is also a mention of the need for rigor in the proof structure.

Unassuming
Messages
165
Reaction score
0
(x_n)-->0 and lim(x_n)sin(1/(x_n))=0 ...help?

Homework Statement


Let [tex]x_n[/tex] be a sequence in R with [tex]x_n \rightarrow 0[/tex] and [tex]x_n \neq 0[/tex] for all n. Prove that [tex]lim (x_n) sin \frac{1}{x_n} = 0[/tex].

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I might have a solution if I say that if [tex]x_n \rightarrow 0[/tex], then [tex]\frac{1}{x_n} \rightarrow \infty[/tex].

Then [tex]sin \frac{1}{x_n} \times (x_n) \rightarrow 0[/tex]. This might or might not be a good method.

Anyway, ... I am required to use the squeeze thrm to prove this. Could somebody give me a hint on which two outer limits to use?
 
Physics news on Phys.org


Are you sure that xn converges to 0? Suppose the sequence is 1, 1/2, 1/3, ... which converges to 0. The sine sequence is sin 1, sin 2, sin 3, ... which I highly doubt converges to 0.
 


The problem states that "if" x_n approaches 0 then the limit of (x_n)sin(1/x_n) approaches 0. I assume we have to use that information.
 


Hint: try to show that [itex]-abs(x_n) \leq x_nsin \left(\frac{1}{x_n} \right) \leq abs(x_n)[/itex] for all n. If you can do that, then just apply the squeeze theorem and your done.

Edit- you can't just say that lim x_n ->0 of x_nsin(1/x_n) is zero because x_n goes to zero...the limit of sin(1/x_n) does not exist so [itex]\lim ( x_n sin(1/x_n)) \neq (\lim (x_n))(\lim (sin(1/x_n)))[/itex]
 


Please let me know if I need more rigor on this...

"Proof"

Since [tex]sin\frac{1}{x_n}[/tex] is always between -1 and 1,

[tex]x_nsin\frac{1}{x_n} \leq x_n[/tex]

Using similar logic,

[tex]x_n \leq x_nsin\frac{1}{x_n} \leq x_n[/tex]

Since both negative and positive [tex]x_n \rightarrow 0[/tex]

we know by the squeeze theorem that

[tex]x_nsin\frac{1}{x_n} \rightarrow 0[/tex]

EDIT: How do I incorporate the abs?
 


abs means absolute value (x_n could be negative for some n, so you must take the absolute value...suppose that there were a value of n for which x_n=-2 and sin(1/x_n)=+0.5, clearly x_n sin(1/x_n)=-1 which is not less that x_n=-2, but it is less than |-2|=2 )

[tex]\Rightarrow -|x_n| \leq x_nsin\frac{1}{x_n} \leq |x_n|[/tex]

not

[tex]-x_n \leq x_nsin\frac{1}{x_n} \leq x_n[/tex]

If x_n ->0, then so do Abs(x_n) and -Abs(x_n)
 
Last edited:


Okay, so here is what I have...

Proof

Since

[tex]\sin\frac{1}{x_n}[/tex]

is always between -1 and 1,

[tex]x_n\sin\frac{1}{x_n} \leq |x_n|[/tex]

Using similar logic,

[tex]-|x_n| \leq x_n\sin\frac{1}{x_n} \leq |x_n|[/tex]

Since

[tex]-|x_n| \to 0[/tex]

and

[tex]|x_n| \to 0[/tex]

, we know by the squeeze theorem that

[tex]x_n\sin\frac{1}{x_n} \rightarrow 0[/tex]
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K