XKCD's "Climate Change Timeline" | See History's Impact

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The discussion revolves around the XKCD "Climate Change Timeline" comic, exploring the implications of climate change, particularly the effects of a 3°C temperature rise. Participants engage with the timeline's representation of historical climate impacts and express curiosity about the severity of climate change effects on different regions.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants appreciate the XKCD comic for its depiction of climate change over time and its impact on humanity.
  • One participant questions the significance of a 3°C temperature rise, comparing it to the temperature differences between Asheville, NC, and Atlanta, GA, suggesting that such a shift may not be as traumatic as often portrayed.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the main issue may not be the temperature increase itself, but rather the associated changes in weather patterns.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the rules governing the discussion, seeking clarification on how to engage appropriately.
  • There are references to the IPCC reports, highlighting the complexity of climate-related risks and the potential for severe impacts on ecosystems and food security.
  • One participant acknowledges that the term "awful" is subjective and reflects personal opinion, indicating the difficulty in discussing climate change without value judgments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of a 3°C rise in temperature, with some arguing it may not be catastrophic while others highlight the potential for severe impacts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall significance of climate change effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various sources, including the IPCC reports, to support their claims, but the discussion reveals a lack of clarity on how different regions may adapt to climate changes and the specific thresholds that could trigger significant ecological shifts.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the implications of climate change, those curious about the intersection of climate science and public perception, and participants in debates surrounding environmental policy.

  • #31
mfb said:
Deviations from those cycles are slow.

Slower than annual, yes. But there is still plenty of evidence that the key processes involved change significantly on time scales much shorter than 1 kyr. For example, the following papers all describe significant changes in primary CO2 production in the ocean due to biological processes on time scales of a few decades:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0079661115000993

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2010GB004026/full

https://www2.cgd.ucar.edu/sites/default/files/asp-colloquium/files/Chavez-Messie-etal-2011.pdf

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2010GB004026/full

Also, rates of upwelling are known to vary significantly on decadal timescales (I don't have any links handy at the moment but can find some if desired).
 
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  • #32
mfb said:
Where is your point?
All those natural processes are slow. "<1kyr" is called "fast" already, the ice ages are even slower. Those natural changes are completely different from the change we had in the last 100 years.

Keeping in mind the idea that IPCC states about CO2 levels lagging behind temperature changes by a couple hundred years, there are a few factors that are compounding right now:
  • The timing of the end of the mini ice age (sometime around the 1800s, although I don't know of an exact consensus on its end date)
  • The carbonic uptake and storage during the mini ice age created a reservoir that has been being released in the past 100 years
  • The warming that occurred in recovery from the mini ice age (solar energy output increasing)
  • The long-term interglacial warming patterns which indicate that the Earth is scheduled to encounter long term warming trends right now regardless of recovery from mini ice age.
  • Feedbacks created by these affects.
  • Anthropological contributions (This list is primarily concerned with natural forcing, but I included this one as a gesture of solidarity and acknowledgment. I am making no claims about the extent to which this does or does not impact the climate.)
We're also discussing a sample of data that is measured with more certainty and resolution than is attainable while measuring temperature retroactively to the last time Earth has been at this point in an interglacial cycle.
 
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  • #33
DrClaude said:
Because this is the main driver of the current climate change

It might be more appropriate, given the PF rules on this specific topic, to say that the IPCC reports, and the scientific research they are based on, conclude that CO2 is the main driver of the current climate change. That way the source you are relying on is clear.
 
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  • #34
Ultimately this thread does not meet our guidelines for discussion. If there are tangent discussions left unresolved feel free to start a new thread using peer reviewed sources. Closing up. Thanks!
 

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