Young's Modulus Formula / Steel Cable

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The problem involves calculating the stretch of a steel cable under its own weight, given its cross-sectional area, mass per unit length, and Young's modulus. The original poster expresses frustration over a discrepancy between their calculations and the textbook answer.

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  • Participants discuss the formula for Young's modulus and the need to average the force acting on the cable. There are questions about the correct values for area and the method of calculating force. Some participants also seek clarification on why the force should be averaged.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, attempting to clarify calculations and assumptions. There is a mix of approaches being explored, with some guidance provided on the need for averaging the force. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or values to use.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the conversion of units, particularly the area from square centimeters to square meters, and the interpretation of the force acting on the cable. The original poster references a specific textbook problem, which may impose constraints on the discussion.

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A steel cable 3.00 cm 2 in cross-sectional area has a mass of
2.40 kg per meter of length. If 500 m of the cable is hung
over a vertical cliff, how much does the cable stretch under
its own weight? Take Y steel ϭ 2.00 ϫ 10 11 N/m 2 .Y=([L][/o]F)/(A*delta_L)

My attempt of solution: http://docdro.id/Fft5plu

This problem is driving me crazy, the textbook says the correct answer is 0.0490m. Can anyone tell me where i went wrong?NOTE: This problem was taken from the textbook "Physics for Scientists and Engineers with modern physics. 7h ed, page 360, problem 56"
 
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I can't see your work, the link is no good for me.
Here is the process:
You are given ## 2\times10^{11}\frac{N}{m^2} = \frac{500*F}{A*\Delta L }. ##
(note that area must be changed to square meters)
Rewriting to solve for Delta L:
## \Delta L = \frac{500*F}{A*(2\times10^{11}) }. ##
Force acts linearly on the cable, so it can be averaged to get
##F= 500/2 * 2.4*9.8(N).##
So
## \Delta L = \frac{500*(F)}{A*(2\times10^{11}) }. ##
 
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When i plug in the data into your eq. i get 0.016333333 m which is not the right answer. The link seems to works for me, can anyone else test the link i gave? Thank you Ruber for trying.
 
Are you using .0003 for area or .0001?
 
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Wow! you were right, i plugged in a wrong value, thank you RUber! Could you tell me why the force must be averaged? What i did is use F=M_tot*g=(2.4Kg/m)(500m)(9.8m/s2), but this seems to be wrong.
 
To get the average stress, you need to use half the weight. The local tension in the cable is $$T=\gamma gz_0$$ where z0 is the (unstretched) distance measured up from the bottom. The local stress in the cable is $$\sigma=\frac{\gamma g z_0}{A}$$. The local strain in the cable is $$\epsilon=\frac{\gamma g z_0}{YA}$$ The total stretched length of the cable is $$L=\int_0^{L_0}\left(1+\frac{\gamma g z_0}{YA}\right)dz_0$$
 
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