Z = xy, dz/dx = delta z/ delta x, no idea why

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The discussion revolves around the function z = xy and the relationship between the finite difference delta_z / delta_x and the derivative dz/dx. The original poster expresses confusion regarding why these two expressions appear to be equivalent in this case, while noting a different behavior for the function z = x²y.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the nature of the function z = xy, questioning the conditions under which delta_z / delta_x equals dz/dx. There is discussion about treating y as a constant and the implications for linearity. The original poster also reflects on the definition of linear functions and their forms.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of linearity and derivatives in multivariable functions. Some have provided clarifications regarding the behavior of the function when one variable is held constant, and the distinction between partial derivatives and total derivatives is noted. The conversation is productive, with participants building on each other's insights.

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The original poster acknowledges a mistake in their initial post regarding the values of y and z, which may affect the interpretation of the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the criteria for linearity in multivariable functions.

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Homework Statement


Ok this isn't really homework just something I came across and am confused by. I came across a function that looks similar to z = xy and I found that delta_z / delta_x = dz/dx which is really weird to me. This was really strange to me so I checked to see if z = x²y would also be the same and it wasn't which I expected. I don't know how to explain why z = xy has this sort of property where delta_z / delta_x = dz/dx. Sorry if this is a sort of weird question.

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For example let's say z = xy, x = 5, y = 2, z = 10. We increase x to 6 then z = 12.
delta_z / delta_x = dz/dx = y => delta_z = y*delta_x = 2*1 = 2. No idea why this is true though it should be like a linear approximation.

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So I was thinking it's true in the same way that for y=mx+b, delta_y/delta_x = dy/dx, now I don't know what to call these type of functions.
 
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Hello jrm, :welcome:

With this function, you can see that if you keep y constant, then z = constant * x, the equation of a straight line.
 
First, what do you mean by "similar to z= xy"? Was the function z= xy or not? Second, since you are talking about "delta z/delta x" and "dz/dt", what happens to y? If you are treating y as a constant, then z is a linear function of x so of course you get that property. And you call those functions "linear" functions!
 
Ah so this function is linear? I looked online and it showed linear multivariable functions have the form f(x1,x2,x3,...) = a1x1 + a2x2 + a3x3 + ... So I didn't want to call this type of function linear since it does not have this form. By similar I mean it looks like z = (1+y)(A+Bx). Sorry I made a mistake in my first post. It should have been y = 10, and increases to y = 12, not z. I guess a follow up question would be anything of the form f(x1,x2,x3,...) = x1*x2*x3... would have this behavior if you kept all other variables constant when taking a derivative with respect to one variable and it would be called linear?

Thanks for the responses!
 
You found the correct criterion for linearity. That doesn't exclude the possibility that the intersection of the 3D graph of your function with any plane y = constant (or, alternativly, x = constant) is a straight line.
Note that for functions of more than one variable we use partial derivatives: Function ##\ z = f(x,y)\ ## has partial derivatives ##\ \partial z\over \partial x\ ## and ##\ \partial z\over \partial y\ ##.

##\ \partial z\over \partial x\ ## is a function of x and y obtained by taking the the usual derivative wrt x while keeping y constant. In your ##z = xy## example ##\ {\partial z\over \partial x} = y\ ##.

And in your z = (1+y)(A+Bx) ##\ {\partial z\over \partial x} = B(1+y)\ ##, which still is a straight line -- hence the ##\ {\Delta z\over \Delta x} = {\partial z\over \partial x}\ ##.

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Picture shows intersections with y = -2 is a straight line. So is intersection with x = 2 -- and any plane with x = constant or y = constant.

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Ah, that clears things up for me. Thanks!
 

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