Zener diode characteristics question

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The discussion centers around the characteristics and analysis of zener diodes, particularly in the context of circuit analysis when the reverse voltage is applied. Participants explore the reasoning behind replacing a zener diode with an open circuit in certain scenarios, as well as the conditions under which the zener begins to conduct.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the logic behind replacing the zener diode with an open circuit when the reverse voltage is less than the zener voltage, suggesting that the state of the diode should be determined first.
  • Another participant describes a scenario where the applied voltage is gradually increased and notes that the zener does not conduct at low voltages, prompting questions about the voltage required for conduction.
  • Several participants express confusion about the reasoning for open-circuiting the zener diode and seek clarification on how this affects the overall circuit analysis.
  • There is a suggestion to first remove the zener from the circuit to analyze the voltage between the points where the zener was connected, leading to further questions about the implications of this approach.
  • One participant argues that while a zener diode does not behave like a DC short-circuit, it can resemble an open-circuit under certain conditions, which can aid in circuit analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty and confusion regarding the treatment of the zener diode in circuit analysis. There is no consensus on the best approach to take when analyzing circuits involving zener diodes, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the conditions under which a zener diode operates, including the need to determine its state before making assumptions about its behavior in a circuit. There are unresolved questions about the voltage thresholds for conduction and the implications of different modeling approaches.

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As I have studied that when the reverse voltage across zener diode is less thsan the zener voltage it is replaced by open circuit..now in the given fig. (input voltage 100V & zener voltage=50V) we are not knowing the voltage across the reverse voltage across the diode..but in its solution it is replaced by open circuit..why so?? what is the logic behind replacing it by open circuit.. it is stated that we first have to detrmine the state of zener diode..
but in other questions the state is not determined..still in the solutions there was no suc step..they solved accordingly..
please explain the concept..
 

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Imagine you start at an applied voltage of 10V and slowly increase the voltage - the voltage across the zener depends on the two resistors. You will agree that the zener is not conducting for these low applied voltages.

Now consider:
At what applied voltage does the zener begin to conduct?
How did you work that out?

BTW: I don't see the analysis so I cannot comment on what they have done.
 
In the solution of this ques. they open circuited the zener diode and stated that to determine the state of zener diode..
but why they open circuited it??
 
If the zener starts short-circuited, what is the voltage across it?
What voltage is required to make the zener conduct?

If you do not follow suggestions I cannot help you.
 
ranju said:
In the solution of this ques. they open circuited the zener diode and stated that to determine the state of zener diode..
but why they open circuited it??
That has the same effect on the remainder of the circuit as if you were to remove the zener from the picture alltogether. That's how I'd suggest that you approach the problem---first remove the zener from the circuit and work out the voltage that would exist between the two points in the circuit where the zener had been.

Then you can deduce things ...
 
NascentOxygen said:
first remove the zener from the circuit and work out the voltage that would exist between the two points in the circuit where the zener had been.

Then you can deduce things ...
So does removing the diode means open-circuiting it.. why can't we shortcircuit it n then solve .I am not saying for this particular case but for other circuits..!
 
ranju said:
So does removing the diode means open-circuiting it.. why can't we shortcircuit it n then solve .I am not saying for this particular case but for other circuits..!
You can do whatever you like. So long as your short-circuit exists only on paper then nothing will be harmed. :wink:

Nowhere in its behaviour does a zener diode act like a DC short-circuit, so representing it as a short-circuit won't get you far. But over part of its characteristic the zener does resemble an open-circuit, so representing it as an open-circuit can help with your analysis and understanding of the circuit's operation.
 

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