Prevent Bathroom Mirror Fogging with Soap

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The discussion revolves around methods to prevent bathroom mirrors from fogging, particularly focusing on the use of soap and other substances. Participants explore the underlying chemical principles and practical applications related to fogging and water behavior on surfaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that applying a thin layer of soap to the mirror prevents fogging, prompting a question about the chemical reasons behind this effect.
  • Another participant explains that fog consists of tiny water beads and that soap reduces the surface tension between water and glass, causing water to sheet rather than bead.
  • A subsequent reply corrects the terminology used, suggesting that 'adhesion' is a more accurate term than 'surface tension' in this context.
  • Further contributions elaborate on how soap affects the wetting angle of water droplets, promoting a film formation instead of droplet accumulation.
  • One participant draws an analogy with car washing, describing how soap and wax influence water behavior on a car's surface.
  • Another participant mentions using a commercial product, Rain-X, as an alternative to soap for preventing fogging, noting its effectiveness and lack of haze.
  • Additional suggestions include using onion or potato juice as fog prevention methods, though concerns about odor and attraction of pests are raised.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods for preventing mirror fogging, with some agreeing on the effectiveness of soap while others propose alternatives. There is no clear consensus on the best method, and different viewpoints on the chemical explanations and practical applications are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over specific terminology related to surface interactions, and there are varying opinions on the effectiveness and practicality of different fog prevention methods.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in practical household tips, chemical interactions of common substances, or alternative methods for preventing fogging on surfaces may find this discussion relevant.

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Whenever you take a shower the bathroom mirror fogs. I discovered if one rubs a thin layer of soap on the mirror, then gently rubs it in with a cloth, the mirror does not fog. I could not think of any other reason other than some chemical reason. Why does this happen?
 
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Fog is actually millions of little water beads. Soap reduces surface tension between water and glass causing the water to sleet rather than bead. The water is still there; it's just more together.
 
ShawnD said:
Fog is actually millions of little water beads. Soap reduces surface tension between water and glass causing the water to sleet rather than bead. The water is still there; it's just more together.
I think you meant to say 'adhesion', rather than 'surface tension'.
 
Soap will indeed reduce the surface tension of the beads of water, thus making the wetting angle of the droplets much smaller, and tending to allow them to form a film rather than collection of droplets.
 
So does the water just sheet off the water?
 
Yeah pretty much. The same thing will happen after you wash your car.
Pay attention to how water sits on the hood of your car:
-before you wash it
-after you wash it (with soap)
-after you wax it

Before you wash it, water will sort of stay on and sort of fall off the hood. Cohesion and adhesion are not too different.
After you wash with soap, water will just slide off the hood. Adhesion is much stronger than normal.
After you wax, water will form little beads. Cohesion is much stronger than normal.

That beading effect is why I will never wax my car. If your car is left out when it rains, rain water (which is far from clean) will bead all over the car. With cohesion being so strong, there is a lot of added friction between water and your car, so that water just stays there. The water eventually evaporates after the rain has stopped, and the crud that was in the rain water is now all over your car in the form of brown dots. Your car looks like crap after that, and it's incredibly difficult to clean.
 
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brewnog said:
Soap will indeed reduce the surface tension of the beads of water, thus making the wetting angle of the droplets much smaller, and tending to allow them to form a film rather than collection of droplets.
This is true. The soap molecules (stearates I guess) will reduce the surface tension of water. I was a bit confused by the "between water and glass" bit.
 
I use rain-x no fog{for cars} for my indoor mirrors, it works for a really long time with one application without the haze that soap can leave.
 
hypatia said:
I use rain-x no fog{for cars} for my indoor mirrors, it works for a really long time with one application without the haze that soap can leave.

Onion or Potato juice also does the same thing.
 
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Onion or Potato juice also does the same thing

But I would'nt want the smell of onion, or any food that might attract bugs.
When I dive I spit into my facemask to keep it from fogging. But I can't get myself to stand and spit on my mirror..lol
 

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