turin said:
1) I'm a little confused by the term "solution." What are we solving?
2) How is that? If we translate the origin, the distance between the points is still zero, isn't it?
3) Can you give a more physical example? I am lost in the abstraction.
Allright, I wanted to take a toy problem and apparently things got more confused for you now. Sorry.
I'll first treat 3). Let's take the following surface:
z(x,y) = b (x^2+y^2)^2 - x^2 - y^2
clearly, z is only a function of x^2 + y^2, so is invariant under a rotation around the origin: z(r) = b r^4 - r^2
Now let us consider that we put a marble on that surface, and we would like to calculate its natural oscillation frequency for small movements.
The problem is that if we put the marble on the surface, it will roll down towards a "ground state" with lowest z, and that we will have to do a series expansion around that position (that's what I called choosing our solution).
Calculating the equilibrium points:
z'(r) = 4 b r^3 - 2 r = 0 gives r=0 and r = \sqrt{1/(2 b)}
The first solution is unique (r=0) and hence is also rotationally symmetrical, but unfortunately, it is an unstable equilibrium.
The second solution, r = 1/sqrt{2b} is in fact a whole set of solutions, namely a circle with radius 1/sqrt{2b}. But the marble will pick out ONE of these points on the circle ; we take it to be the point P = {x = 1/sqrt{2b}, 0}.
Clearly, although the CIRCLE (set of solutions) is rotationally invariant, the point we took by itself isn't of course.
We will recenter ourselves on P, with x = u+1/sqrt[2b].
If we do now a Taylor expansion of z(u+1/\sqrt{2b},y) around P, we find:
z[x,y] ~ 2 u^2-1/(4b) + higher orders
So we see that in this expansion, y doesn't appear until higher orders, and we have a parabola in u. No rotational symmetry anymore between u and y.
Nevertheless, the above is the correct potential for small movements of our marble: along the u direction (= shifted x) there is a local parabolic minimum, while along the y direction, the movement is indifferent (indeed, in first order it is moving along the circle of minima).
The original symmetry has been broken because our marble HAD to choose one of the different equivalent ground states.
The problem with this example is that it is SO TERRIBLY trivial. It is only after having seen this exact application to QFT that one realizes what it implies.
Coming back to 1) and 2), I tried to present a toy problem. Imagine that we have these magetic sticks, of 1 cm long, which can be concatenated into sticks of n cm when you put n of these elementary sticks together. The 'solution' to the problem of all possible stick positions in the plane was discussed, where we consider a "stick position" as uniquely described by the two end points of the stick.
Clearly, the problem of "find a stick position" was described by my set of couples of points {a,b}, n cm apart, and has euclidean symmetry (rotations and translations).
This was the "problem" to be solved.
2) YES, you stated the symmetry of the original problem. However, the set with one point, {O}, is of course NOT translationally invariant because O will be mapped onto another point which is not in the set. However, {O} IS rotationally invariant wrt a rotation around O: indeed, O is mapped onto O by such a rotation.
This is not true anymore for the set { (a,b)}.
cheers,
patrick.