Help: Kinetic Energy and Friction - A block pulled by another on a pulley

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving two blocks connected by a pulley, where one block is moving and the other is falling. The initial conditions include a block M with a mass of 15.65 kg moving at 2.26 m/s and a block m with a mass of 8.26 kg. The coefficients of friction are provided, and the goal is to determine the final speed of block M after block m falls 2.47 meters. Initial calculations suggest a final speed of 3.993 m/s, but the correct answer is 3.49 m/s, indicating a need to account for the tension in the rope due to the acceleration of the masses. Understanding the forces and applying the correct equations are crucial for solving the problem accurately.
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Help: Kinetic Energy and Friction -- A block pulled by another on a pulley

In the system the following diagram shows, the block M (mass of 15.65 kg) is initially moving to the left with a speed of 2.26 m/s. The mass of m is 8.26 kg and the coefficients of friction are μs = 0.411 and μk = 0.304. The string is massless and the pulley is massless and frictionless. How fast (m/s) will M be traveling when m has fallen through a height h=2.47 meters?

diagram: http://ce.byu.edu/courses/univ/694820121008/media/8_problem_blockmass.jpg
 
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The pulley makes it so that the second mass exerts a force purely in the x direction, not affecting the normal force. I used left (or down, for the second mass), as the positive direction.
The force exerted by mass m is equal to its mass times gravity, and delta-x equals 2.47 as provided in the problem. Therefore,
W = F * delta-x = (8.26)(9.8)(2.47) = 199.942

The normal force is equal to the weight of mass M, so the force of kinetic friction:
fk = m*g*μk = (15.65)(9.8)(0.304) = 46.6245

Using the following equation, then plugging in the values:
0.5*m*vf^2 = 0.5*m*vf^2 - fk*d + W
0.5*15.65*vf^2 = 0.5*15.65*2.26^2 - 46.6245*2.47 + 199.942

This give vf = 3.993 m/s, while the correct response is 3.49 m/s.
 


aarno said:
The force exerted by mass m is equal to its mass times gravity,
That's incorrect. Note that the masses are accelerating. You'll have to solve for the tension in the rope.
 
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