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CNN: It's McCain and Palin

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Quote Quote by MSNBC & Palin
She also referred favorably to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who drew 18 million votes in her unsuccessful run against Obama for the Democratic nomination.

"But it turns out the women of America aren't finished yet and we can shatter that glass ceiling once and for all," she said.
I wonder if she reads Doonesbury
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Hmmm...this is weird. McCain picked her despite this...

I was reading the wiki article on Palin, and found this little piece.
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On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues."[50] She instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he turned down.[51][52] Her power to fire him is not in dispute, but Monegan alleged that his dismissal may have been an abuse of power tied to his reluctance to fire Palin's former brother-in-law, Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann.[53] In 2006, before Palin was governor, Wooten was suspended for five days[54] for threatening to kill McCann's (and Palin's) father, tasering his 11-year-old stepson, drinking beer in his squad car, and violating game laws.

Palin said that her dismissal of Monegan was unrelated to the fact that he had not fired Wooten. Palin said that members of her staff had made contact with public safety officials regarding the trooper, though she said that her staff's contacts with the commission were not directed by her and she had little knowledge of them.[55] Palin replaced Monegan with Chuck Kopp, who had allegedly sexually harassed an employee.[56][57]

In August 2008, the Alaska Legislature hired Steve Branchflower to investigate Palin and her staff for possible abuse of power surrounding the dismissal.[58] Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who is overseeing the investigation, says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and that subpoenas are unnecessary.[59]
I searched Google News for some of the keywords there and this was the first hit.

Quote Quote by Anchorage Daily News
Palin launches Monegan inquiry ahead of special investigation

Gov. Sarah Palin is trying to find out what the Legislature's special investigator might discover as he probes her controversial firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.

Alaska Attorney General Talis Colberg has launched an inquiry at the governor's request, including interviews with state public safety officials. The attorney general's involvement has started before the special investigator newly hired by the Legislature, Steve Branchflower, has had a chance to dive into his work.
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But critics of the governor ...have raised the specter of "witness tampering." Some legislators said it doesn't look good for the attorney general to get involved.

"I think it is harmful to the credibility of the administration, harmful to the process and harmful to all the parties involved," said Fairbanks Republican Rep. Jay Ramras, chair of the House Judiciary Committee. "It's just the worst possible thing to be doing."

Ramras said Colberg is honest but might be na´ve. He needs to be very careful to avoid his review having any appearance of tampering with witnesses, Ramras said.
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492077.html

More interesting tidbits from Anchorage Daily News:
'Creation science' enters the race

The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."
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In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
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The Republican Party of Alaska platform says, in its section on education: "We support giving Creation Science equal representation with other theories of the origin of life. If evolution is taught, it should be presented as only a theory."
http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/ele...-8243554c.html

After that change of course towards the middle, and McCain steering to the right on the same issue, they are now nearly in lock-step on what they say should be done.

Quote Quote by Arizona Daily Star
Daily Star: Should intelligent design be taught in schools?

McCain: I think that there has to be all points of view presented. But they've got to be thoroughly presented. So to say that you can only teach one line of thinking I don't think is - or one belief on how people and the world was created - I think there's nothing wrong with teaching different schools of thought.

Daily Star: Does it belong in science?

McCain: There's enough scientists that believe it does. I'm not a scientist. This is something that I think all points of view should be presented.
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/opinion/90521
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I'm saying that makes experience less important than with the President.
Doesnt this lady have like 2 years as governor of Alaska? That's pretty slim experience. What's her resume even look like?

I would absolutely expect a VP of a company to have less experience than a CEO. In fact, I'd hope the CEO was a VP first before being CEO! Since that's not as feasible for a President, the more common experience that is weighed heavily is governor, since it is executive branch experience.
I don't think that's necessarily true. A CEO and VP can be nearly match in experience, one is just a better leader than the other.

In any even, I'd really like to hear what qualifications makes her stand out from the other choices McCain had on the table.


From wiki: "Palin holds a bachelor of arts degree in journalism from the University of Idaho."

I think I'd want someone smarter than that...

While running for Governor of Alaska, Palin supported the teaching of bothcreationism and evolution in public schools;[41] however, she noted that "creationism doesn't have to be part of the curriculum" and that she would not use "religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism" as criteria for selection to the school board.[41]
Also from wiki........................yikes. No thank you. Let's try nominating smart educated people for office.

She's a religious right nutjob. She's also against gay marriage and abortion.
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They love her in Alaska. She has something like 80-90% approval rating.

Personally, I like the idea of a moose-hunting ex-beauty queen for VP.
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This will be over faster than than... God, I suck at this. It will be over fast, okay?



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...obt8wD92I9NIO0
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Quote Quote by Math Is Hard View Post
They love her in Alaska. She has something like 80-90% approval rating.

Personally, I like the idea of a moose-hunting ex-beauty queen for VP.
OMG! I'll bet Palin is a secret member of the PF Sisterhood!
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OMG! I'll bet Palin is a secret member of the PF Sisterhood!
shhhhhh!
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Quote Quote by WarPhalange View Post
This will be over faster than than... God, I suck at this. It will be over fast, okay?



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...obt8wD92I9NIO0
Wow, the woman is clueless.................the moment she opened her mouth and said "I dont know what the VP does" she should have just excused herself from being nominated. I'd suggest she go back to school and get a law degree and learn about the legal system before she tries to run the country. It might help to know the laws of the country you're going to run......just a thought.

That's the thing, Hillary is a woman, but shes a smart educated woman. This woman's an idiot who should go back to her polar bears.

*Note, I'm not saying Hillary is smart because she's a Dem. She is just smart as a person.

Why not someone like Tom Ridge? He's a smart guy, military service, EXPERIENCE fighting terrorism..... but no, let's pick a no name just because she's a woman. Pathetic.

Picking her was a smart choice. He's going to boss her around and tell her were doing this MY way. She doesnt have the status to speak up against him when push comes to shove. She's going to make a nice yeswoman VP that stays out of the few hairs left on his head.
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Quote Quote by Cyrus View Post
This is like the time G.W. tried to put that woman as a justice who had NO EXPERINCE in anything related to the law, and the congress was like......uh.......NO. Just being a woman isnt going to fly, dubya. (I think she was a school teacher or something rediculously stupid)
Not true.

Her name was (and is) Harriet Meirs, who was a lawyer in private practice for almost 30 years, was president of the Texas bar association and at the time of her appointment was White House Counsel. She was recommended as O'Connor's successor by none other than Harry Reid, the Democratic Senate (then) Minority Leader.

GWB has done many things deserving of criticism. However, untrue or made-up examples don't serve to advance this point.
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Quote Quote by Vanadium 50 View Post
Not true.

Her name was (and is) Harriet Meirs, who was a lawyer in private practice for almost 30 years, was president of the Texas bar association and at the time of her appointment was White House Counsel. She was recommended as O'Connor's successor by none other than Harry Reid, the Democratic Senate (then) Minority Leader.

GWB has done many things deserving of criticism. However, untrue or made-up examples don't serve to advance this point.
Yep your right. I'm sorry. I was recalling what I saw on John Stewart and I got it wrong here's what he said:

So they went with Harriet Miers, a woman who's never been a judge. And has no reputation as a legal scholar. But the President felt very confident she had the one quality that matters.
http://www.crocuta.net/Dean/Jon_Stew...Oct20_2005.htm

So, the woman had no experience as a Judge. I just remembered it was something significant she was missing in terms of qualifications.
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Quote Quote by Cyrus View Post
So, the woman had no experience as a Judge.
Neither did Earl Warren. If you want a historical example, neither did John Marshall.
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whats wrong with Romney? i think that he would have been a better choice for mccain. or maybe not, just because hes mormon
Without casting aspersions on his religion, I would note his propensity for posturing and image over substance. His weather vane like stands determined apparently more by the wind than deep seated conviction. Against abortion in his failed Senate bid against Ted Kennedy, until he ran for Governor of Massachusetts, then he was OK with it and then against it on the primary circuit this year.

I think there are enough of those kinds of people pretending to represent interests and positions when the only interest they apparently hold dear is their own advancement.
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She could easily become a very young, inexperienced president with no track record in national politics, foreign affairs, and macro-economics.
In this regard I might think it to be a plus. I rather think Bush has already demonstrated that just about anyone can hold the office and the country can survive.
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Quote Quote by russ_watters View Post
I had my money on Christie Whitman of NJ.
I think Christie Whitman would be an excellent choice, and I considered her, but she's also considered too liberal like McCain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christi...cal_philosophy
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Quote Quote by turbo-1 View Post
She could easily become a very young, inexperienced president with no track record in national politics, foreign affairs, and macro-economics. A rookie governor from a sparsely-populated state with significant oil revenues might have a bit of trouble gearing up to running the executive branch of the US.
And she'd still be way ahead of the current president!

There's nothing like on-the-job training (although it hasn't worked for Bush).
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And she'd still be way ahead of the current president!

There's nothing like on-the-job training (although it hasn't worked for Bush).
On the job training is something you'd expect from entry level employees though. The person running the country better already have experience. The 'training' should just be small adjustments from knowledge already had in a very similar area but simply tailored here and there for the differences from the last job.

Walking in not knowing what to do is a clear indication of a clueless idiot, which is what she stated herself in that youtube video from war. If I applied for a job and asked the interviewer, sooooooooo.......what will I be doing?.......he'd throw me out and say come back when you learned something about the company and job position you're after.

Quite simply, what she said was inexcusable.
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Not true.

Her name was (and is) Harriet Meirs, who was a lawyer in private practice for almost 30 years, was president of the Texas bar association and at the time of her appointment was White House Counsel. She was recommended as O'Connor's successor by none other than Harry Reid, the Democratic Senate (then) Minority Leader.

GWB has done many things deserving of criticism.
And this was likely one of them. Nominating your own White House counsel - a person who became famous for asserting that Bush was the most brilliant man she'd ever met. Oh, and let's not forget the BS story that Bush made up as the reason for her withdrawing.
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Doesnt this lady have like 2 years as governor of Alaska? That's pretty slim experience. What's her resume even look like?
Poly sci degree from U of Idaho
City council of some city I never heard of, 1992-1996
Mayor from 1996-2003 (I think - she tried for Lt Gov in 2002 and lost and it doesn't say when she actually left the mayorship)
Held a mid-level advisor job (on ethics) with the governor from 2003-4 (resigned in protest of ethics violations and ended up bringing down the head of the Rep party in Alaska over it (that impresses me a lot).
Governor, 2007-8 (19 months)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palin

I don't think that's necessarily true. A CEO and VP can be nearly match in experience, one is just a better leader than the other.
You're really trying to have it both ways here. To be objective, you need to set all variables but one equal and consider only that one variable: so all else being equal, would you want the more experienced or the less experienced potential President/CEO? Or put another way, which should be President/CEO and which should be

Heck, VP is, in reality, used as a stepping stone to President/CEO in both government and business. In business, it's almost a requirement.
In any even, I'd really like to hear what qualifications makes her stand out from the other choices McCain had on the table.
McCain picked her, and here's why:
"She's not from these parts and she's not from Washington," McCain told a crowd of some 12,000 Republicans at a basketball arena in Dayton, extolling her work against corruption and special interests in Alaska. "But when you get to know her, you're going to be as impressed as I am."

McCain said, "she's got the grit, integrity, and good sense and fierce devotion to the common good that is exactly what we need in Washington today."
From wiki: "Palin holds a bachelor of arts degree in journalism from the University of Idaho."

I think I'd want someone smarter than that...
Journalism is the school, not the major, but ultimately I agree that I'm not overly impressed with a political science degree.

Regardless, our Presidents have had a very wide range of educational credentials.
Also from wiki........................yikes. No thank you. Let's try nominating smart educated people for office.

She's a religious right nutjob.
While I agree that the evolution thing is a fairly big black stain, it is being used as a "religious right nutjob" litmus test, which may or may not really be accurate.


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