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Feb1212, 11:25 PM

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I mean look at a triangle or a square or even a sphere kind of has something outside of it. Even a circle does.



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Feb1212, 11:32 PM

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http://www.math.brown.edu/~banchoff/...roperties.html
It may at first seem strange to speak of a space which is both unbounded and finite, but we shall see that many such shapes exist. Consider a spherical Flatland. A Flatlander can travel forever and never fall off the edge of the universe, even though this Flatland has a finite area. In the next section, we will encounter analogous shapes for our space. 


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Feb1312, 08:23 AM

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Consider the 2D surface of the Earth. It is unbounded. And importantly, there need not be a 3rd dimension within which to immerse the sphere: the 2D spherical surface can be defined in 2D.



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Feb1412, 02:49 PM

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How is the universe unbounded?
referring to math ..
when something has a limit at infinity so there must be a boundary somewhere.. there is a theory that we actually are living in a black whole , in fact the whole bigbang process was a birth of a black whole which clearly defines the existent of parallel universes i really fascinated by that idea it COOL 


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Feb1512, 03:05 AM

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well, so far thats the only thing i consider the most sensible. you see Hawking's argument of a divine creator might not be 100 percent true... we got so much more to go through to judge whether theres one or not.. if hes right then we're pretty much done with this world and we just popped to this universe period, i think we're bounded, we should be bounded otherwise what math says is basically wrong, math always have worked and will work ..



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Feb1512, 03:52 AM

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You can believe what you want. As for one thing being more sensible than another, I don't think anyone can argue that at this point in time. Also, I don't see why an unbounded universe would make math wrong.



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Feb1512, 04:20 AM

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your totally right. arguing for make a certain point is just a waste of time, keeping all possibilities in mind though gives us a clue to proceed. if we assume the universe is bounded just like math proving the otherwise will be our job, its always been this way!
the most obvious example for continuity and limitless is two parallel lines right? they don't exist, we cannot reach that point( the END ) but it is there..thats what im thinking 


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Feb1512, 04:36 AM

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An unbounded universe is as good mathematically as a bounded one, and has a better fit with observation. Making claims about the math without actually learning the math is not a good idea. Your question has been answered  we cannot help it if you do not like of believe the answers. The truth is often uncomfortable. 


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Feb1512, 04:52 AM

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i agree with you .. im completely aware that being in Calculus BC is just not enough to making claims about these stuff ..
and how could you be that sure about the truth? im willing to believe the truth that's why im here,so why would i be uncomfortable with it? 


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Feb1512, 05:26 AM

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You check your ideas against the Universe. But it is not an on/off thing  the methods allow you to work out how confident you can be in a particular answer. Since you are interested in these things, you should take the next opportunity to take a 101 level philosophy of science paper. At least read some online papers on the subject. If you get stuck on any of the topics, we can help. But did you even do the course in the link I gave you? 


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Feb1512, 08:26 AM

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the BB idea has become a bit old it used to be the best idea!.. there are strong possibilities that this event is a cosmic cycle it never stops and it never starts ! if its true then the universe is a very strange place! thanks for your advice by the way 


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Feb1512, 10:59 AM

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i meant the BB being a start point might not be true..as Prof. Kaku explains it
i did happen but it wasnt the first time 


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Feb1512, 11:33 AM

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Feb1512, 11:38 AM

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And Phinds  I couldn't agree more with your appraisal of Kaku. 


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Feb1512, 12:40 PM

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Kaku's blog called "big think" is a great futuristic place ! 


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Feb1512, 04:45 PM

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It's a little easier to understand what they are talking about when they discuss the shape of the universe. 


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