Sundance preons twists as a higgless source of inertial mass

In summary, the conversation discusses the current explanation for inertial mass as the higgs field and the possibility of electric charge playing a role in mass generation. It also mentions Sundance preon braiding as a potential alternative to the higgs field and provides resources for further learning about it. The conversation also touches on the relationship between preon braiding and loop quantum gravity and the stability of unstable SM particles in this model.
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Currently, the standard explanation for inertial mass is the higgs field, which gives particles their mass. Many of the SM's undefined parameters involve interactions between the particles and the higgs field, as well as the mass of the higgs boson itself.

Sundance preon braiding has twists representing charge, 1/9 I believe, and i wonder, if his model is physically correct, could electric charge play the role of inertial mass independent of the higgs field. All particles of the SM have twists which carry electric charge, except the photon, so could an electric charge in an electric field behave as though it has inertial mass, thus obviating the need of a higgs field for mass generation.

(Whether preon braiding obviates the needs for a higgs field to break E-W symmetry is a separate issue entirely).
 
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Who are some of the people working on sundance preon braiding and/or where could one learn more about what it is?
 
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Coin said:
Who are some of the people working on sundance preon braiding and/or where could one learn more about what it is?

One way is to look at entry A3 in that outline map of QG I posted
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=199768
Post #20 has some links
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1519733#post1519733

some of the people currently active are Lee Smolin, Yidun Wan, Sundance Bilson-Thompson, Jonathan Hackett, Louis Kauffman.

The most recent paper by Smolin and Wan would have references to the earlier work
http://arxiv.org/abs/0710.1548

the simplest exposition is the 2005 paper of Bilson-Thompson---which started this line of research.
He has a video seminar talk from November 2006 on the Perimeter archive that gets the ideas across in a highly visual way. There are also audio+slides talks online from ILQGS and Loops 07, given by Smolin and others.
 
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marcus said:
One way is to look at entry A3 in that outline map of QG I posted
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=199768
Post #20 has some links
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1519733#post1519733

some of the people currently active are Lee Smolin, Yidun Wan, Sundance Bilson-Thompson, Jonathan Hackett, Louis Kauffman.

The most recent paper by Smolin and Wan would have references to the earlier work
http://arxiv.org/abs/0710.1548

the simplest exposition is the 2005 paper of Bilson-Thompson---which started this line of research.
He has a video seminar talk from November 2006 on the Perimeter archive that gets the ideas across in a highly visual way. There are also audio+slides talks online from ILQGS and Loops 07, given by Smolin and others.


Hi Marcus,

It appears to me though that Sundance preon braiding can be done independent of LQG, and is there a mechanism whereby when the spin networks are twisted in LQG, it creates a fractional electric charge, as required by Sundance preon braiding? And what about color charge?

In Sundance's preon braiding only the photon is untwisted, and massless. All other SM particles have twists representing electric charge, and all have mass.

Some of the SM particles are unstable, such as the W and Z bosons, are they to untwist rapidly?
 

Related to Sundance preons twists as a higgless source of inertial mass

1. What are Sundance preons twists?

Sundance preons twists are hypothetical subatomic particles that are proposed to be the constituent particles of protons and neutrons. They are believed to be the smallest building blocks of matter and are responsible for the fundamental forces of nature.

2. How are Sundance preons twists related to the Higgs field?

Sundance preons twists are believed to interact with the Higgs field, which is a theoretical field that gives particles their mass. The twists of the preons are proposed to be the source of the inertial mass of particles, which is the resistance that they have to changes in motion.

3. How do Sundance preons twists contribute to the understanding of the universe?

The existence of Sundance preons twists could help explain the fundamental structure of matter and how particles acquire mass. It could also provide insight into the unification of the four fundamental forces of nature. Studying these particles could further our understanding of the origin and evolution of the universe.

4. Has there been any evidence or experiments conducted to support the existence of Sundance preons twists?

At this time, there is no direct evidence for the existence of Sundance preons twists. However, some theoretical models and experiments, such as the Large Hadron Collider, have shown results that are consistent with the predictions of these particles. Further research and experiments are needed to confirm their existence.

5. What are the potential implications of the existence of Sundance preons twists?

If Sundance preons twists are proven to exist, it could revolutionize our understanding of the fundamental forces and particles of the universe. It could also have practical implications, such as developing new technologies and applications based on the properties of these particles.

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