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I think man can do many things,we were never told we could do these things.Just as easy as your A B C,if nobody showed you would not have a clew A B C?
tph666 said:I think man can do many things,we were never told we could do these things.Just as easy as your A B C,if nobody showed you would not have a clew A B C?
I was thinking like superman it sounds a bit nuts but who knows.If we have no clew how to use such powers they will never be used.Well superman is a bit overstated ,well who knowsKerrie said:yes, we need more clarity in order for this thread to continue.
tph666 said:I was thinking like superman it sounds a bit nuts but who knows.If we have no clew how to use such powers they will never be used.Well superman is a bit overstated ,well who knows
I guess that's what I am saying,if you don't know how to use it it will never be usedMentat said:At the risk of sounding like I'm leading you...do you mean to say that we may have abilities that we'll never tap into because someone has let us know that we can't?
tph666 said:You could have the most open mind in the world but if you don't know what you can do how can you do it
And the reason is nobody ever showed us that we had and could use these powers so we don't understand.I do wonder if 4000 or 5000 ago people knew how to use these powers.Well we would use them for more bad reasons than good anyway.Hat_Man said:I believe that human beings are able to have telepathy, future viewing, and the ability to impact things without touching them. I also think it is all scientifictly explicable, but due to most people's predujaces over what they think is real or simple fantasy they simply say it is impossible. Because of this they never try to achieve these, hence causing 'proof' they cannot be done. Everyone has expierinced the 'supernatural', unfortunatly nearly everyone falling into one of two catagories; those who say it is false and those who say it is magic or otherwordly. It is neither, and those very few who devote themselves to the esotirc and explanation of the nearly inexplicable will have a lonely road ahead of them.
tph666 said:You could have the most open mind in the world but if you don't know what you can do how can you do it
tph666 said:And the reason is nobody ever showed us that we had and could use these powers so we don't understand.I do wonder if 4000 or 5000 ago people knew how to use these powers.Well we would use them for more bad reasons than good anyway.
Zantra said:It's the "1984" scenario where everyone's preprogrammed to to do as they're told and because they are unable to think creatively, they don't explore possibilities.
How can you miss chocolate if you never knew chocolate existed?
example: if a child was put in a wheelchair from birth and told that he couldn't walk, even though he could, he could be brainwashed into thinking he couldn't. And if he never thought it was possible, he might live his entire life out never having stood upright.
Alkatran said:As for the whole mindpowers thing: You claim that they aren't used because we don't know how to use them. I claim that they aren't used because they don't exist and people are just fooling themselves.
My claim has Occham's Razor on its side. We both make the same predictions.
Mentat said:Not surprising, since you aren't really making a claim; merely negating one.
Alkatran said:As for the whole mindpowers thing: You claim that they aren't used because we don't know how to use them. I claim that they aren't used because they don't exist and people are just fooling themselves.
Hat_Man said:I am not claiming that they are not used because we do not know about them. I am claiming they are used by a small minority. They do exist, they are real becuase they have been done, just as much a fact as people walking. The only reason they are thought false is that it appears to be impossible due to our preconcived ideas. The amount of people that have this born talent is so small that it seems to do that no one has it. I know this to be false, and I claim it is always wrong to say something is false because you have not seen. There is nothing more dangerous as that, becuase the essence of any scientist or good thinker is the ability to entertain any thought, any question and any suggestion unless it is proven false.
I never said we couldn't learn.The point i was trying to make was that everyday man learns new I am just wondering how far we can go.Mentat said:Not surprising, since you aren't really making a claim; merely negating one.
Anyway, tph666, just to follow your reasoning to its logical conclusion: how did the first person ever learn anything?
Alkatran said:I don't say it's false because I haven't seen it, I say it's false because it would completely change every science we have (except maybe math). The chance of our science being THAT FAR OFF is very low. But if you can do it under controlled conditions...
FoxNax said:That's an example of being close minded, you don't want to believe that we could do so much more with our minds than what we already know because it would change things, and as a human being, you're afraid of change. Forgive me if I'm speculating but that's how it seems to me. You find most people are afraid of change and not all are willing to accept it.
For example: If you told a man a few hundred years ago that woman would be powerful and sometimes even the stronger of the species (only in some casesthough, as i believe men and women are equal) than he wouldn't want to believe it because it would completely change society, and it has. Society has changed, it has learned that women are just as good as men but it's not bad, it's changed for the better.
Now, before I wander completely off topic, let me associate that with our minds. If our minds do have hidden abilities, why would that change science? And if it changed science, surely it would be for the better?
tph666 said:You could have the most open mind in the world but if you don't know what you can do how can you do it
tph666 said:And the reason is nobody ever showed us that we had and could use these powers so we don't understand.I do wonder if 4000 or 5000 ago people knew how to use these powers.Well we would use them for more bad reasons than good anyway.
Paul Wilson said:@Comments of reading into the future: I believe it is completely capable by the human mind, but not intentionally. When you seek you can get lost, when you seek somewhere you've never been with no map, for something you don't know, you will definately get lost. (Or we simply don't know what we're looking for) - Telepathy.
If we do read into the future, it is by mistake, not on purpose. I believe that is impossible to see the future by simply "doing so".
OutofPlace said:Well, if one were to accept that the ability to perceive the future would eliminate the possibility of free will, then i must deny the existence of the latter; as i said before, i have experienced premonitions all my life, some of which have been undeniable clear and even proven by others.
I guess it would be interesting to discuss the possibility of both, free will and future perception, coexisting.