Can Creation and Annihilation Operators Be Simplified This Way?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the use of creation and annihilation operators in solving a problem involving momentum states. The goal is to prove that a certain equation holds true, but the initial attempt is incorrect. The conversation then explores different methods to split up the product of operators and eventually comes to a solution using the formula [A,BC] = B[A,C] + [A.B]C. The conversation also briefly touches on using a Kronecker delta and the importance of using a different symbol for the state being discussed.
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Homework Statement


I am somewhat new to creation and annhilation operators, but I can reduce the problem to showing that:

[tex] a_{p_1} ^{\dag} a_{p_2} ^{\dag} = a_{p_1} ^{\dag} + a_{p_2} ^{\dag} [/tex]

where
[tex] a_{p_1} ^{\dag} [/tex] is the creation operator for a particle with momentum p1 (if I understand it correctly)

Can someone help prove that?

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ehrenfest said:
[tex]a_{p_1} ^{\dag} a_{p_2} ^{\dag} = a_{p_1} ^{\dag} + a_{p_2} ^{\dag}[/tex]
This can't be right since if it were, then:
[tex]a_{p_1}^{\dag} a_{p_2} ^{\dag} a_{p_3} ^{\dag} = a_{p_1}^{\dag}(a_{p_2}^{\dag} + a_{p_3}^{\dag}) = a_{p_1}^{\dag}a_{p_2}^{\dag} + a_{p_1}^{\dag}a_{p_3}^{\dag} = a_{p_1}^{\dag} + a_{p_2}^{\dag} + a_{p_1}^{\dag} + a_{p_3}^{\dag}[/tex]
In order to do the calculation, apply H and P as defined in equations (10.60) and (10.61) directly to the state in (10.65). Use induction on k.
 
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That's weird though. How can it not be true if

[tex]
\sum_{\vec{j}} \vec{j} a_j ^{\dag} a_j a_{p1}^{\dag} a_{p2}^{\dag}
=
\sum_{\vec{j}} \vec{j} a_j ^{\dag} a_j a_{p1}^{\dag}
+
\sum_{\vec{j}} \vec{j} a_j ^{\dag} a_j a_{p2}^{\dag}
[/tex]

?
 
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In general, for operators, AB = AC does not imply B = C even when A is non-zero.
 
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Yes. I was wrong.

But then somehow you need to split up that long product of [tex] a_{p_k}^{\dag}[/tex] operators. You can commute them by 10.59, but they doesn't really help. Is there another way to split it into two terms?
 
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ehrenfest said:
Yes. I was wrong.

But then somehow you need to split up that long product of [tex] a_{p_k}^{\dag}[/tex] operators. You can commute them by 10.59, but they doesn't really help. Is there another way to split it into two terms?
The formula [A,BC] = B[A,C] + [A.B]C will do nicely.
 
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Ah, I see. Thanks.

For QC 10.7, I am trying to use

[tex] \sum_{\vec{p}} a_p^{\dag} a_p | \Omega > = \sum_{\vec{p}} (a_p a_p^{\dag} -1) | \Omega >[/tex]So, there should probably be a Kronecker delta that has an index that gets summed over or something but I am not really sure where this comes in?

Just to be sure, I want to show that [tex] \sum_{\vec{p}} a_p^{\dag} a_p | \Omega > = n | \Omega > [/tex].

where n is the number of particles in the state omega, right?

By the way, I should probably not be using omega because we are using that for the vacuum state and we want an arbitrary state here, right?
 
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QC 10.7 is done exactly the same way that QC 10.6 is done.
 

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